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DCL

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This is my first post in this forum, the previous forum I belonged to doesnt seem as knowledgable as this. Anyways I was looking for advice for my 2nd cycle. My stats are 6'3, ~200lbs ~10%BF, 23yrs old. I am looking to stay lean and cut up as much as I can. My training and diet are pretty consistent. What do you guys propose for for a beginner/cutting cycle?


Thanks guys this seems like a great board

DCL
 
This is a simple question. Do a test only cycle,,,,,350mg to 500mg a week. Eat clean and you will get some solid gains with out too much fat. But bro,,,,IMO you shouldn't be worried about putting on some fat. Your first cycle will likely be your best. You want to get the most out of it that you can, and to do this you have to eat large. I think its better to overeat than under eat. If you overeat you get some fat, but you maximize your gains. If you undereat, you may miss out on gains you could have had you eaten more.

If you are 6'3" and 200lbs, your pretty lean. Trust me,,,,,make this an all out bulker,,,,don't worry about the fat,,,,,,and you will fall in love with being large. Also you can always cut the fat later.
 
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mranak said:
First, welcome.

You're 6'3, ~200lbs ~10%BF and you want to cut? Are your abs visible right now?
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Yea you don't want to cut. You cut after doing several bulkers and want to drop alot of fat without losing the muscle gains you made. If you just want to get more cut up,,,,just diet and cardio.
 
Slayer said:
This is a simple question. Do a test only cycle,,,,,350mg to 500mg a week. Eat clean and you will get some solid gains with out too much fat. But bro,,,,IMO you shouldn't be worried about putting on some fat. Your first cycle will likely be your best. You want to get the most out of it that you can, and to do this you have to eat large. I think its better to overeat than under eat. If you overeat you get some fat, but you maximize your gains. If you undereat, you may miss out on gains you could have had you eaten more.

If you are 6'3" and 200lbs, your pretty lean. Trust me,,,,,make this an all out bulker,,,,don't worry about the fat,,,,,,and you will fall in love with being large. Also you can always cut the fat later.
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What if I add a cutter a the end..like some Anavar (var) or Winstrol (winny)? Whould that solidify most of my gains? Also, should I get some Ldex to keep the bloat down from the test? or is nolva/clomid sufficient?

Also the only type of test i have access to at the moment is QV test e and c...should I wait until I can find a better source?
 
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mranak said:
First, welcome.

You're 6'3, ~200lbs ~10%BF and you want to cut? Are your abs visible right now?
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ha yea they are...I think I just have a high metabolism b/c I cant keep on mass no matter how much I eat...good and bad I guess
 
Well unfortunately my first cycle was a deca cycle(if you can even call it a cycle) which was before I did any extensive research on gear. However, i did not get shut down, (ate a ton of trib) did proper post cycle therapy (pct) and gained 20lbs, a lot of it bloat Im sure..which I eventually lost along with some of the muscle..
 
You lost all of the gains from the deca? Why? Did you stop training? Did you eat right?

Have you been making any gains in the past six months? How much weight have you gained? Has your strength increased?
 
DCL said:
What if I add a cutter a the end..like some Anavar (var) or Winstrol (winny)? Whould that solidify most of my gains? Also, should I get some Ldex to keep the bloat down from the test? or is nolva/clomid sufficient?

Also the only type of test i have access to at the moment is QV test e and c...should I wait until I can find a better source?
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what about my original questions??
 
DCL said:
What if I add a cutter a the end..like some Anavar (var) or Winstrol (winny)? Whould that solidify most of my gains? .........Also the only type of test i have access to at the moment is QV test e and c...should I wait until I can find a better source?
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You have to work as hard to keep your gains post cycle as you did to make the gains. I would say you have to work even harder. Your body has to get use to carrying the additional weight. Also post cycle you are especially at risk of losing the gains because your natty test production is almost nil. IMO, most people should not end a bulking cycle with a cutting cycle. I know there are some bros who do it over the course of a long cycle, but for the average amatuer Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) user its not a good idea. You should eat and lift large on cycle and continue to do so throught out your pct. When you feel you have fully recovered, it is then safe to try and cut some fat. The reason you probably lost the gains from the deca is that you didn't continue to eat large post cycle and tried to cut.

And if you can get QV test e or cyp, that will be fine. I would just go with the cheapest.
 
should i get nolva AND ldex for a test cycle 400mg/w or just the nolva. Also, for post cycle therapy (pct) i heard that clen stops the catabolic activity in the body after your cycle ends. Should I add clen into my post cycle therapy (pct) along with the clomid?
 
DCL said:
should i get nolva AND ldex for a test cycle 400mg/w or just the nolva. Also, for post cycle therapy (pct) i heard that clen stops the catabolic activity in the body after your cycle ends. Should I add clen into my post cycle therapy (pct) along with the clomid?
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Definitely have the Nolva on hand and it is a good idea to have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (liquidex or letro) on hand as well.

The anticatabolic effect of clenbuterol has never been shown in humans; it has been shown in cows. And even adjusted for weight, if you took as much clen as those cows got, your heart would probably explode.

Have you used clen before? If not, then I don't recommend you use it during your next PCT.
 
no never used clen..and now i def wont use it for pct

.. ok so Novla obv is a must..the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is optional? WHat are the pro's and cons of adding an AI(my cycle is most likely going to be test e)? I was under the impression that they block all aromatization, while serms like nolva only block the receptors. Do i need both? Does the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) keep bloat down as well? Thanks

DCL
 
also..all my source can get is QV...should I wait and try to get human grade test?

btw..he wants 180 for 2 10ml QV250e.. steep right?
 
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