What's the basis on running Tren higher than Test?

[kamikaze]

I've been hesitant on running tren due to the 'scary' sides and potential hairloss.

So I did an oral for the first 4ish weeks to kick start before the tren ace.

My goal is to bulk on it. Finishing up week 1 now, and it seems like ive dropped a tiny bit of fat. abs are a bit more visible.

Do you have a log going? Keep me updated with your results. I have a while before I can start so I get my fill while surfing this forum

 

[Yebro]

Do you have a log going? Keep me updated with your results. I have a while before I can start so I get my fill while surfing this forum

haha no, no log. appetite is increasing thats for sure. bumped up to 7 meals a day now because I'm getting hungry after 2hrs after every meal LOL

 

[Le0n1das]

Just started my second Cycle. I did a 10 week cycle of 500mg/Week of Test E for my first one. Had serious gains but most of it was water and I only retained about 70% of my gains once my PCT was over. About to start my second which will be 500mg of Tren Ace and 250 mg of Test E. Going to run it 10 weeks with a PCT of a nolva/Clomid mix. Any suggestions on a good routine for pinning and doing my PCT correctly to retain the maximum amount of muscle and minimize the side effects. My good friend who got me started has since moved and any input is most appreciated.

Height 6'2
Weight 195lbs
Bench-235
BF- 12%

 

[Bulldog2103]

It's subjective but if you are looking to cut then you want ahigher ratio of tren to test and if you are looking to beast out and gain maximal strength, then a 2/3 test to 1/3 tren will do the trick. Tren is potent, I personally would always keep test at a higher ratio.

 

[MN87]

It's subjective but if you are looking to cut then you want ahigher ratio of tren to test and if you are looking to beast out and gain maximal strength, then a 2/3 test to 1/3 tren will do the trick. Tren is potent, I personally would always keep test at a higher ratio.

Where'd you get this ratio from?

 

[Superman]

Man, I had to bump this one. It's a really good read. Also, has anything changed regarding running tren higher than test?

 

[MattyIce]

Whats up fellas. USER you have a wealth of info, especially on peptides, I have learned from you a number of times.

Keep in mind you dont HAVE to run your test higher with deca, but you will get more gains that way, also taking the risk of more sides (its always that way, more gains more sides). Simply because Deca is more of an anabolic. Its not androgenic. The best steroids have both a high anabolic/androgenic ratio. They are are the best because this produces a synergistic effect. Im learning more and more as I grow in this game and the field of HRT that it is the synergistic effect that we want.

Example: GH alone sux. run GH for 3 months then throw in some test and watch out. Again GH is anabolic.

Just look at the increase collagen thread, low dose test high deca, EQ or Var. Mgunz did this and he liked it just fine.

Tren on the other hand is highly androgenic and highly anabolic, but does not aromatize. This is beneficial for estro sides.

A friend of mine has known this guy for like 15 years, they have both been "ON" for that long, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) blast cruise whatever. this guy has never cycled anything besides TREN for the last 7 years. He never has libido issues and he is a fucking monster, he dwarfs me.

Tren should not inhibit your libido, it should increase it, since its very androgenic.

If TREN were to somehow get prolactin out of control, which is VERY unlikely, high prolactin can squash libido, this is why it takes forever to bust on progestins, decreased penis sensitivity. This is MUCH more likely to happen with DECA.

We only have so many receptors in our body, roughly, they die off and re grow all the time. Different types of receptors are in specific areas of our body, mostly. androgen, estrogen a shitload of them. Once we fill up the androgen receptor the rest of the medication is wasted, it doesnt do anything.

Keep in mind Cobra that just cause your T levels are 2000 does not mean your using it. The first 1980 mgs gets gobbled up by albumin and SHBG right away, and that never hits a receptor. now you have the rest attaching to recptors in your body. it is really just a signaling system, you can only make the signal so strong.

Since I want the tren gains, dry lean huge vascular gains, I want the tren to attach to more recptors than the test right? its a synergistic effect in one nice formula, and the best one AAS wise.

So running 4-600 tren (i know guys that say the real size gains from tren are up around 7-800mg shooting 100 or so daily) with 300 test is great.

These guys run low dose test with it, just enough for normal activities, we dont need any anabolic or androgenic muscle building effects from it, we have the tren for that.

This will actually leave you less prone to side effects, since high prolactin is usually associated with high estro.

I also know a guy that was on high dose tren for 6 months and wound up in the hospital with liver/kidney problems. Cant prove it was the tren, but he was otherwise a healthy guy.

this info is all conjecture and speculative. there is no evidence that tren will bind more than test.

Run test high... have tried it both ways and have had better results with less sides running test high.