Whats the highest you guys have run deca at per week?

[Austinite]

I agree with you here, Austinite, BUT, for people like me who end up feeling nauseous and unable to eat after taking Cabergoline (I'm yet to try Pramipexole and personally after my experiences with Cabergoline, I'm too scared to) it can be a nightmare. Do you have any suggestions on how to overcome these unwanted sides so we can still utilise it and combat the dreaded elevated prolactin?

I understand, completely. But this would mean that it's OK to say Aromatase inhibitors are overrated because they make me feel achy. But I don't know many people who push through the initial side effects, so they drop the compound. I get side effects, but it's only the initial intake. After a week or so I'm tolerant and back to normal.

Best thing to do with dopamine agonists is to start low dosed. You can start very very low, as little as 0.1 mg of pramipexole (I don't know anyone that is affected negatively by that dose). Take it before bed and with food. You can ramp up as slowly as you want.

 

[Austinite]

Oh, I missed your question, I am prescribed Cabergoline and really enjoy it.

 

[Rastas]

I understand, completely. But this would mean that it's OK to say Aromatase inhibitors are overrated because they make me feel achy. But I don't know many people who push through the initial side effects, so they drop the compound. I get side effects, but it's only the initial intake. After a week or so I'm tolerant and back to normal.

Best thing to do with dopamine agonists is to start low dosed. You can start very very low, as little as 0.1 mg of pramipexole (I don't know anyone that is affected negatively by that dose). Take it before bed and with food. You can ramp up as slowly as you want.

Thanks brother. I'll take that advice on board and go with Pramipexole next time. I won't need it till pre-contest come June when I'll run Trenbolone Acetate. I wasn't intending to convey that they're not necessary, because I believe they are. I actually dropped the steroid I was using due to the fact that I couldn't use the appropriate ancillary to combat the associated negatives (like you literally just mentioned). I figured if I wasn't getting the calories in then why bother running the steroid. in reference to your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) metaphor, I coincidentally started a thread a few weeks ago on my little experiment with dropping my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for a week just to see how my body reacts. Not because I didn't have any on board, simply because I like to see how the drugs interact with my body. Like you I don't like to comment or provide input on AAS or ancillary use unless I have experienced it first hand.

 

[Austinite]

Thanks brother. I'll take that advice on board and go with Pramipexole next time. I won't need it till pre-contest come June when I'll run Trenbolone Acetate. I wasn't intending to convey that they're not necessary, because I believe they are. I actually dropped the steroid I was using due to the fact that I couldn't use the appropriate ancillary to combat the associated negatives (like you literally just mentioned). I figured if I wasn't getting the calories in then why bother running the steroid. in reference to your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) metaphor, I coincidentally started a thread a few weeks ago on my little experiment with dropping my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for a week just to see how my body reacts. Not because I didn't have any on board, simply because I like to see how the drugs interact with my body. Like you I don't like to comment or provide input on AAS or ancillary use unless I have experienced it first hand.

Oh I know you didn't intend that, I was making a point to the original poster who claimed they're overrated.

Experience is the best way to rate/discuss drugs. Good to see someone who understands that.

 

[mr.bean]

400mg ew when i tried it, with test

 

[swim15]

Well that is an interesting statement. Care to elaborate any?

I have never used them and never had all the prolactin problems that people talk about and none of my friends use them and none of them have had prolactin problems. Yes my source is legit. I get raws and brew my stuff and I have seen 3rd party mass specs on the raws.

Granted in this case, N isn't very high but I know of even more people who never touch dopamine agonists and never have problems. So long as you keep estrogen in check you shouldnt need them

 

[Austinite]

I have never used them and never had all the prolactin problems that people talk about and none of my friends use them and none of them have had prolactin problems. Yes my source is legit. I get raws and brew my stuff and I have seen 3rd party mass specs on the raws.

Granted in this case, N isn't very high but I know of even more people who never touch dopamine agonists and never have problems. So long as you keep estrogen in check you shouldnt need them

Interesting. You and all of your friends have blood work to this effect? Or are you speaking of sensing side effects?

 

[swim15]

Interesting. You and all of your friends have blood work to this effect? Or are you speaking of sensing side effects?

No, no blood work. I am talking about not having sides/symptoms/gyno

 

[DreDay187]

No, no blood work. I am talking about not having sides/symptoms/gyno

Unfortunately dopamine agonists such as caber and prami do NOT treat gyno so that's irrelevant but just because sides and symptoms don't manifest themselves is hardly a reason to say something is overrated...especially if you have no concrete evidence supporting your claim like blood work. You're welcome to your opinions of course but to offer that up as advice is a little reckless.

 

[swim15]

Unfortunately dopamine agonists such as caber and prami do NOT treat gyno so that's irrelevant but just because sides and symptoms don't manifest themselves is hardly a reason to say something is overrated...especially if you have no concrete evidence supporting your claim like blood work. You're welcome to your opinions of course but to offer that up as advice is a little reckless.

so if you aren't getting symptoms then why take something? They are to prevent polactin gyno and deca dick, etc but if you don't have those issues then why treat something that isn't there

 

[DipKing]

Those elevated levels could be doing something you cannot feel or explain as a symptom. It's just like having herpes, you may not know until there's an outbreak.

 

[DreDay187]

so if you aren't getting symptoms then why take something? They are to prevent polactin gyno and deca dick, etc but if you don't have those issues then why treat something that isn't there

If you discovered you had a tumor through some random MRI done and it hadn't started showing symptoms, would you wait to start chemo bc the symptoms hadn't shown? You take a dopamine agonist to keep prolactin levels down which can cause lactation, ED, loss of libido, and lipogenesis. These things can be happening without you necessarily noticing them but they can also be prevented from happening entirely with proper use of blood work and medications.

There is no such thing as prolactin gyno. Gynecomastia is defined as hyperplasia of the ductal cells in male breast tissue. Once the growth of these cells measures roughly 3cm it is classified as gyno. There are a few things that can cause this: elevated estradiol, bad T:E2 ratio, prescription meds and illicit drugs, bad E2rogesterone ratio, and a few other causes. Progesterone can exacerbate these issues but on its own progesterone can lead to hyperplasia of the alveolar cells in breast tissue. Elevated prolactin does not affect this at all and therefor prolactin gyno is a falsity.

 

[DD55]

It may be overrated for folks that don't have issues with prolactin, but they're not the majority. I don't have much trouble with prolactin, but I certainly wouldnt say it's overrated.If anything, it's underrated and more people should be educated on its cycle support for most.

I have crazy prolactin issues. Caber is a must for my future deca cycles

 

[DD55]

I had no Gyno whatsoever. My dick worked too. I had less drive at the cycle's end, but my bloodwork showed very high prolactin. So what dre and Austin are saying is correct. Just because you don't see Gyno or deca dick doesn't mean you don't have a high prolactin level.

 

[DD55]

Bloodwork is king

 

[DipKing]

Elevated prolactin does not affect this at all and therefor prolactin gyno is a falsity.

Something albeit off topic, but today in my endocrinology class we discussed prolactin. It actually has several other effects on the human body which I did not know about. Just to name two, it provides sexual gratification and has a minor role in the lymphatic system or autoimmunity. I quote from the book, "No normal physiological role for this hormone in human males has been firmly established." It's interesting to note the book always states prolactin can enlarge mammary glands. I wonder if this, and the presence of lactation, is why individuals assume gynocomastia is developing.

 

[toco]

Something albeit off topic, but today in my endocrinology class we discussed prolactin. It actually has several other effects on the human body which I did not know about. Just to name two, it provides sexual gratification and has a minor role in the lymphatic system or autoimmunity. I quote from the book, "No normal physiological role for this hormone in human males has been firmly established." It's interesting to note the book always states prolactin can enlarge mammary glands. I wonder if this, and the presence of lactation, is why individuals assume gynocomastia is developing.

Does anyone know if to high of prolactin can cause cognative imparment? Or a not quite right general feeling of wellbeing?

Or E2 causes that?

 

[DipKing]

Does anyone know if to high of prolactin can cause cognative imparment? Or a not quite right general feeling of wellbeing?

Or E2 causes that?

Well, not everything is known yet. Prolactin has only been verified to actually be in people for less than 50 years. Abnormal levels can cause sexual dysfunction for sure, although in what context I'm unsure of.

 

[DreDay187]

Something albeit off topic, but today in my endocrinology class we discussed prolactin. It actually has several other effects on the human body which I did not know about. Just to name two, it provides sexual gratification and has a minor role in the lymphatic system or autoimmunity. I quote from the book, "No normal physiological role for this hormone in human males has been firmly established." It's interesting to note the book always states prolactin can enlarge mammary glands. I wonder if this, and the presence of lactation, is why individuals assume gynocomastia is developing.

Yea, you get a rush of dopamine after climaxing or orgasming and then prolactin elevates. This is part of the cause for refractory period.

 

[Killinit1]

I think prami/caber are wayyy overrated IMO

Uh yeah not sooo much... I have had the leaking nips before as sexy as it is for a man to have milk it' s not for me.. 1 mg every 3 days 2 weeks , drop down to .5 every 3 days cleared it right up....

I have a bro who juices and is also an adult film star. He says caber @ 2mg e3rd gives him awesome "O's" I have never ran it that high just curious if any one else has. Iknow its a decca thread sorry to hi-jack..
I have ran decca at 600mgs tapering up to 800 for 16 week cycle.. loved it!!