When to add Tren to my cycle?

[JoltinJoe]

I have done two cycle's previously... 31 yr male, ex-powerlifter/strongman competitor.

1st cycle was Genza Test Cyp @ 500/wk for 12 weeks followed by nolva and clomid for pct.
2nd was Genza Test Cyp @ 600/wk plus Genza Deca @ 400/wk with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) followed by nolva, clomid and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG),

I have had good results and kept sides to a very minimum with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) use.

I am wanting to try a different lab this time per recommendations from this board, but have no experience outside of Genza so any advice on labs (not sources) would be much appreciated.

My questions are, is it to early to use Tren in my next cycle in place of the Deca or should i stick with the Deca. If i stick with Test/Deca should i up the dose's or stick with the same as last time?

If you see anything wrong with what i got going on feel free to lmk.

Also i have Tev-Tropin prescription HGH to add to the cycle. What are the thoughts on adding it to the next cycle.

 

[Teutonic]

Tren is in a league of its own my man.

I found myself to be intolerant of it...the night sweats, the insomnia,the mind fuck, the paranoia, anger management.....then tren made em all worse.

I ll not endorse anything i don t know shit about or with which I had a bad experience with...

Are you competing or just wanting to step it up ?

 

[JoltinJoe]

Tren is in a league of its own my man.

I found myself to be intolerant of it...the night sweats, the insomnia,the mind fuck, the paranoia, anger management.....then tren made em all worse.

I ll not endorse anything i don t know shit about or with which I had a bad experience with...

Are you competing or just wanting to step it up ?

I'm done competing in strength sports so as of right now i am just trying to maximize the muscle i have built over the past 10 yrs or so.

 

[UserAt204]

The way I see it, continue on test only or test deca cycles at similar doses until they aren't working anymore. Tren can produce excellent results and you have a couple cycles under your belt so I don't see a problem with it. I generally don't have many sides from tren but around 8 weeks I start to not like how I feel, and it's nothing I can pinpoint but the 8 weeks are great.

I see more changes from 8 weeks of tren then I do from anything else. Just don't add to much to fast and leave yourself no where to go. Adding 1 at a time is a good approach. I would try ace first and if you don't like it you can drop it.

 

[bigtime101]

I have a similar history of cycles
1st Genza Test E 500/wk 1-12 weeks nolva/clomid pct
2nd Genza Test Prop100 100mg EoD / Genza Stan50 (winstrol) EoD.
wks 1-8 for both. clomid pct with blast hcg.

I'm planning my third and have similar mind set as you.
Plan for this cycle,
test Prop 100mg Eod weeks 1-10 (LOVED GP prop planned for 8wks wanted 10 last)
tren Ace 75mg ED weels 1-8
HcG 500ius for 10 days leading up to 4 days before SERM.
clomid 50mg ed 4 weeks 7 days after last prop pin.

ohh and Genza is G2G in my books nothing but + no sides no problems really.

why not go with the ace? you can always drop it.. prop/ace both fast ester so in and out, and prop kicked pretty hard and FAST.

 

[China_Wall]

how u try something like this:

Weeks 1-15
test cyp or test e 500mg per week
weeks 4-12
tren a 1.5ml eod (112.5mg)
PCT
same as your previous cycles

this is a simple cycle that should prove quite effective and will be a good introduction to the world of tren

like User said... go with tren a (the short ester) as if u get to the point u can't take it u can drop it without much trouble... if it's a long ester is will linger around for a bit longer and cause u more grief

 

[loublue]

i love tren ran it last two cycles and always will . all those sides imho are well over reated i ran it at 150mg ed in my last cycle

 

[JoltinJoe]

Thanks for the input fellas, i appreciate the feedback.

I was starting to think about just sticking with the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" philosophy and sticking with Test/Deca until my gains stall, but i have been around several bodybuilders on tren and that is the build i am going for so we will see...

Got some more research to do

 

[zoofus]

I'd reiterate the recommendations on Tren and add a few. Use acetate so you can manage your dosage and clear your system if necessary. Many find ED injects preferable with acetate, much more stable blood levels. Some don't notice a difference but the majority seem to. You can backload 29g slin pins for the ED Tren only injections to minimize the hassle. Combine on other days with whatever else you are running.

I'd start in the 35-50mg ED range. Give it at least 3 weeks to see how you tolerate it and whether the dosage is right. This should be plenty effective for most.