Which AAS effect HPTA least?

Grey Wtr

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I recently came off a rather lengthy cycle, which included both Fina & Deca. Needless to say I was quite shutdown when I came clean. I've have since done 2 courses of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), and am using Arimidex & Clomid. In the future I will definitely stay away from Fina & Deca, yes they are great, but to hard on the Nat T, and Sperm count, for me.

Does anyone know a good site or a link which breaksdown the various AAS, as to how they effect HPTA?
 
Even with anavar you will still need to keep the dosage relatively low. I mean if you are using 50 mg. a day it will have a pretty suppressive effect.
 
Yea, I had thought Anavar was a good choice, but did some research and found it to can be quite suppresive (If I could find that link I'd post it). I've also considered Primo, although I will have to renew my Propecia script and make sure I use my extra strength Minoxidil, due to the whole DHT thing.

Some have said Winstrol (winny) but I'd have to see some data. The new 4 Ad diol ester is very effective and easy on the HPTA, but it is crazy expensive. Thanks for all the replys.
 
The Terminator said:
Even with anavar you will still need to keep the dosage relatively low. I mean if you are using 50 mg. a day it will have a pretty suppressive effect.
Agreed

JohnnyB
 
I recently came off a rather lengthy cycle, which included both Fina & Deca. Needless to say I was quite shutdown when I came clean. I've have since done 2 courses of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), and am using Arimidex & Clomid. In the future I will definitely stay away from Fina & Deca, yes they are great, but to hard on the Nat T, and Sperm count, for me.
Have you ever thought of running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 500IUs every Saturday ,and Sunday throughout your entire cycle? I've never tried it myself ,but from what I've read it is suppost to keep you from shutting down in the first place. And 500IUs twice a week isnt enough to cause natural LH supression ,or cause gyno. (Again this is what I've read. I have no first hand expeirence with this.)



Capricorn_Mike
 
Capricorn_Mike said:
Have you ever thought of running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 500IUs every Saturday ,and Sunday throughout your entire cycle? I've never tried it myself ,but from what I've read it is suppost to keep you from shutting down in the first place. And 500IUs twice a week isnt enough to cause natural LH supression ,or cause gyno. (Again this is what I've read. I have no first hand expeirence with this.)



Capricorn_Mike

Mike, this Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosing schedule was started by Swale and myself debating over on AnaSci.

First off the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) wont keep you from shutting down, it will only prevent testicular atrophy by keeping a small signal of LH going to your testicles. This signal will keep them big and strong!

Second it doesnt need to be done on Sat/Sun, but should be done 2 times a week.

Third, your natural LH suppression will happen, the small dose of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) wont desensitize your testicle from the natural LH that will come when you start your clomid.

Finally, Clomid will be needed to restart your HPTA, but if clomid doesnt have to worry about reverting T/A, it will do a much better job at restoring your HPTA.
 
Even if you take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), you cant keep HTPA from shutting down while on exengonous AAS. It will keep your nuts big though.
 
If you're concerned about your sperm count, don't use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - it will do nothing to increase it.
HCG suppresses your FSH, which is essential for spermatogenesis.
 
hhajdo said:
If you're concerned about your sperm count, don't use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - it will do nothing to increase it.
HCG suppresses your FSH, which is essential for spermatogenesis.

If so, add proviron!
 
Lawnsaver, I hear you on the whole Insulin thing, but I've always been very leary of 'Slin, to many horror stories. Would need to get some good counsel first. I've also listened to a talk this well known Doctor gave on how much damage High Carb Diet induced insulin spikes can have on your body. According to him it ages you. He had some good science to back it up. So I can only imagine (according to his theory) the effect injecting it would have. But maybe all the other things we do would balance out, I don't know.

I know in the future I will try the 3 week on 2-3 week off cycles, some of the reading I have done around the net supports the fact that it takes 3 weeks for Test to effect the feed back loop (of course Fina will effect you right now, probably Deca to). I will monitor with regular blood work.

In the mean time I will keep reseraching, and stay clean. My Urologist has refered me to an endo (Urologist couldn't belive my Test, FSH & LH were all so low) my first blood test was just under 2 months off juice, I told him I had been using some Andro cream, I showed a tube I had, one of the Docs bought it, his partner was more skeptical. Overall they treated me like I was a bother to them. I see the Endo this next week, I'm curios to hear what he says. Am looking foward to having another blood test to track things.

I appreciate everybodys feed back.

Btw, Billy Bathgate, the Bill Gates mug shot is hilarious!
 
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