Which muscles have the most androgen receptors ?

[darkwing86]

SO I keep reading and seeing muscles with most androgen receptors seem to be effected most when using aas . Does anyone know which muscles have the most receptors ? im getting traps and delts . lets hear it

 

[juced_porkchop]

I think it has more to do with whats trained more and what you generally focus on and believe it can still vary genetically but I am curious what other have to add to this question : )

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Generally the upper body has a higher level of androgen receptors- traps, shoulders, delts, etc. These also happen to be the easiest muscles to respond to aas.
The least receptors are located in calves & forearms, which is why they are both notoriously dificult to gain mass on.

In terms of genetics, generally the muscles that respond best (in terms of growth) to training when your natural will also be the ones to respond best to aas - this all depends on each individuals training experience.

 

[Harnold]

Generally the upper body has a higher level of androgen receptors- traps, shoulders, delts, etc. These also happen to be the easiest muscles to respond to aas.
The least receptors are located in calves & forearms, which is why they are both notoriously dificult to gain mass on.

In terms of genetics, generally the muscles that respond best (in terms of growth) to training when your natural will also be the ones to respond best to aas - this all depends on each individuals training experience.

agreed except on the forearm growth. I find personally that my forearms respond very well, and I assume it's simply a result of more weight being used in general for any upper body movements. however, we tend to forget the work they get while loading, unloading plates as well. traps also. just 2cnts.

 

[Mprtz]

Shoulder girdle and especially traps

 

[Buzzbait]

Under "Bro-Science" I would have to say delts for me. They are the first thing to blow up when blasting... Then could be genetics? Hell I don't know.

 

[Enthusiast]

Generally the upper body has a higher level of androgen receptors- traps, shoulders, delts, etc. These also happen to be the easiest muscles to respond to aas.
The least receptors are located in calves & forearms, which is why they are both notoriously dificult to gain mass on.

In terms of genetics, generally the muscles that respond best (in terms of growth) to training when your natural will also be the ones to respond best to aas - this all depends on each individuals training experience.

This seems to be a general consensus when you speak to bros with experience, it depends on how intensely you train each part though. It could also be perceived this way because a large upper body is the first thing noticed and the parts most often seen in the mirror ect. How many people walk around staring at other dudes legs!

 

[Mprtz]

It is a medical fact.

 

[Enthusiast]

It is a medical fact.

Any links to studies or anything of the sort?

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Any links to studies or anything of the sort?

None of good quality are publicly available I'm afraid.

Your new here so I'll be polite, I ALWAYS follow the science and NEVER follow broscience - I'm not just a bro with experience

I'm a coach to natural bodybuilders & come from a family of endocronoligists - something to consider since you seem to enjoy questioning my posts...

 

[Enthusiast]

None of good quality are publicly available I'm afraid.

Your new here so I'll be polite, I ALWAYS follow the science and NEVER follow broscience - I'm not just a bro with experience

I'm a coach to natural bodybuilders & come from a family of endocronoligists - something to consider since you seem to enjoy questioning my posts...

Well if you happen to come across any I would love a good read!

I understand that it's always useful to follow the science but I do think learning from experience can be useful as well especially when there may not be a ton of research on a particular subject. I mean no disrespect, I question most things I hear and apparently it just so happens to be you currently haha.

I will definitely take your experience into consideration, thanks for the update! I'm always open to learning because the longer I'm here the more I realize I don't know sheet.

 

[Milton]

What is your plan in targeting these muscles in your workout?

 

[Mprtz]

The following study supposedly supports, but I don't have access to the full text:


WilsonJ. D.,
GriffinJ. E.
(1980) The use and misuse of androgens. Metabolism 29:1278***8211;1295.

Anectodally, my traps have grown significantly since starting TRT and I avoid targeting them because they are already relatively overdeveloped.

 

[darkwing86]

Hey Milton , not necessarily , to be honest with you I just wanted to get a good conversation going . Plus its also interested me as to how aas may effect certain muscle groups over others because of this . in general though I always train everything as hard as I can . try not to let anything lag behind or get neglected . all fair game ahah

 

[Enthusiast]

The following study supposedly supports, but I don't have access to the full text:


WilsonJ. D.,
GriffinJ. E.
(1980) The use and misuse of androgens. Metabolism 29:1278***8211;1295.

Anectodally, my traps have grown significantly since starting TRT and I avoid targeting them because they are already relatively overdeveloped.

Thanks for posting up, maybe someone has some connections with access that would be willing to share

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

The following study supposedly supports, but I don't have access to the full text:


WilsonJ. D.,
GriffinJ. E.
(1980) The use and misuse of androgens. Metabolism 29:1278***8211;1295.

Anectodally, my traps have grown significantly since starting TRT and I avoid targeting them because they are already relatively overdeveloped.

That's one of the studies I was referring ton but again no public access for the good ones unfortunately.

You have the right idea in regards to training - you want to focus on the areas with the least receptors NOT the ones with the highest.
In general, shoulders/traps/etc blow up regardless of the training stimulus, in other words zero training and they will still grow on cycle.
The muscles with less receptors (calves in particular) respond poorly to cycles, which is why the correct training stimulus becomes important.

This is one of the rare examples were using heavy weight to progressively overload a muscle becomes necessary - the high rep training to failure stuff wont work on calves for most people.

 

[Enthusiast]

That's one of the studies I was referring ton but again no public access for the good ones unfortunately.

You have the right idea in regards to training - you want to focus on the areas with the least receptors NOT the ones with the highest.
In general, shoulders/traps/etc blow up regardless of the training stimulus, in other words zero training and they will still grow on cycle.
The muscles with less receptors (calves in particular) respond poorly to cycles, which is why the correct training stimulus becomes important.

This is one of the rare examples were using heavy weight to progressively overload a muscle becomes necessary - the high rep training to failure stuff wont work on calves for most people.

Now a good question would be how to rank the body parts in terms of androgen receptor quantity.
This might prove to be quite a difficult task considering everyone is different, so would this be a good case of when to let your body tell you what is right?

 

[bonexyster]

That's one of the studies I was referring ton but again no public access for the good ones unfortunately.

You have the right idea in regards to training - you want to focus on the areas with the least receptors NOT the ones with the highest.
In general, shoulders/traps/etc blow up regardless of the training stimulus, in other words zero training and they will still grow on cycle.
The muscles with less receptors (calves in particular) respond poorly to cycles, which is why the correct training stimulus becomes important.

This is one of the rare examples were using heavy weight to progressively overload a muscle becomes necessary - the high rep training to failure stuff wont work on calves for most people.

ive experimented a dozen different ways on calves, and even when running aas light weight has never been able to produce mass for me. even when performed for extended sessions, like an hour on just calves. the only pro i get when adding light weight high rep to my calves is they get defined as shit, but even then not an oz of meat is added during the process.

 

[JimiThing]

There is more to the story than this when it comes to muscle growth. I dont really have time as today is crazy but I will post more later. I mean heck the location of the most AR's in the body isnt even muscle and AR receptor activation effects are not strictly localized by any means, anyway more later. Good thread.

 

[Enthusiast]

There is more to the story than this when it comes to muscle growth. I dont really have time as today is crazy but I will post more later. I mean heck the location of the most AR's in the body isnt even muscle and AR receptor activation effects are not strictly localized by any means, anyway more later. Good thread.

I look forward to more details on the subject