Why Frontload And Why Inject Frequently

[The Iron Bull]

I am writing this but cannot take total credit for it. This line of reasoning was pointed out to me by a bro who wishes to remain anonymous.

The goal of injecting steroids is to increase blood levels of testosterone much higher than can be achieved normally. One of our criteria in doing this is to keep blood levels as stable as possible throughout cycle to provide the best environment for growth and to avoid as many sides as possible. I believe many side effects are caused by the spikes and dips created by once or twice a week injections, even using long esters. A way to reduce these sides would be to use a proper half life to determine when to inject or more importantly how much to frontload with.

Now most half lives are calculated on 1.5 x the number of carbon atoms to determine 1/2 life in days. That’s wrong! If you go to PubMed or AMJ you can look up numerous studies showing a much shorter half life(@ .7 per carbon atom)

That difference is because esters decay at a logarithmic rate, meaning the more esterified hormone in the injection depot, the more is released. This release rate slows as the amount of esterified hormone in the depot is reduced over time.

The general rule is about 0.7 X the number of carbons atoms in a linear ester . However when the body builder needs to keep in mind is that the majority of the esterified hormone is released, regardless of the ester, with the first 24hrs of injection because of the logarithmic rate of decay.


What does this mean in simple terms?
I'll use Testosterone Enanthate in an 8 week cycle as an example:

Assume a 5 day half life for Enanthate based on .7 x it's carbons.
Injecting 579mg on day one of your cycle will provide stable levels of 550 mg per week for the duration of your cycle provided you replenish 75 mg EVERY DAY.

INJECT
Day 1- 579- giving you 550 mg in 24 hours
Day 2 75 giving you 550 mg
Day 3 75 550
Day 4 75 550
Day 5 75 550
Day 6 75 550
Day 7 75 550
Day 8 75 550
Day 9 75 550
Day10 75 550
Day11 75 550
Day12 75 550

and so on until day 57 when you stop injections
decay clearance is as follows

DAY Total MG
58 479
59 417
60 363
61 316
62 275
63 240
64 209
65 182
66 158
67 138
68 120
69 104
70 91
71 79
72 69
73 60
74 52
75 45
76 40
77 34
78 30
79 26
80 23
81 20
82 17
83 15
84 13
85 11
all the way down to day 98 (end of week 14) before the Enanthate is totally cleared
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Enanthate Clearance 500 mg

Now let's look at 1 shot of Test Enanthate of 500mg taken on day one.

It will take 8 weeks to clear (assuming a 5 day 1/2 life)

DAY Injected 500 mg(level)

1 500
2 475
3 414
4 360
5 313
6 273
7 238
8 207
9 180
10 157
11 136
12 119
13 103
14 90

and so- on until week 9 when it reaches 0.

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Enanthate injected E3D at 250 mg-levels

Now lets look at Injections of Test Enanthate every 4 days with 250 mg.
Blood levels are all over the place and create many dips and spikes.
Not a prime anabolic environment. It takes 7 days and 3 injections to even get to 500 mg(498) and then continues to dip and spike the 500 mark until week 4 but then the spikes are over 600 mg. This daily fluctuation cannot be good for combating sides or keeping steady growth rate.
The other way to look at it is $$$$. 500 ED levels would be more economical. You'd gain more.
I wonder if the 2 grams a week guys would do better on 1 gram injected every day vs. 3x a week.


DAY INJECT TOTAL

1 250 238
2 0 207
3 0 180
4 250 394
5 0 343
6 0 299
7 250 498
8 0 433
9 0 377
10 250 566
11 0 493
12 0 429
13 250 611
14 0 532
15 0 463
16 250 640
17 0 558
18 0 485
19 250 660
20 0 575
21 0 500
22 250 673
23 0 586
24 0 510
25 250 681
26 0 593
27 0 518
28 250 687
29 0 598
30 0 521

and so on.

I used this web calc for these figures.

http://powerboard.rockarfett.com/roidcalc/

 

[Skarhead1]

I agree. Front loading is for people who dont understand long esters

 

[simpllyhuge]

im confused.

 

[ManOfMuscle]

I agree. Front loading is for people who dont understand long esters

Please explain your reasoning here.

 

[simpllyhuge]

are u suggesting that 2 times a week injects isnt enough for enthante or cyp?

 

[michael88]

the article makes sense and i am keen to try out the enanthate cycle after reading it. Please elaborate more because it is quite complex to understand even for a college student.

 

[Aztech]

I agree. Front loading is for people who dont understand long esters

What?

On a note to the original poster...very interesting

*test E is 10.5 day half life

 

[Aztech]

Better yet....

If one were to take test e 500mg the first day loaded with 50 mg everyday there after..first ten days levels would look like this:

1 - 500
2 - 518
3 - 532.8
4 - 551.4
5 - 565.4
6 - 578.8
7 - 591.7
8 - 604.3
9 - 615.8
10 - 626.3

I can keep going if anyone would like

 

[house1]

will stick with my twice aweek injects

 

[Swellin]

All these numbers and figures based on paper and pencil are great. However, I have experimented with this sort of thing myself to find out what works in the real world. I have found that I have quite a bit less sides by injecting ED or even EOD with everything I run. Shorter esters are injected ED for sure, but things like test e/eq are injected EOD or even ED. I get less sides by doing this.

So what if you burn through a bunch of syringes and needles. If you have less sides, it's certainly worth it. FWIW, I run very long duration cycles and have to deal with frequent injections for quite a long time. It's no big deal at all, and I can control most of my sides without having to use alot of other drugs to do so.

 

[The Iron Bull]

simpllyhuge and house1 Bros......the numbers dont lie.

To keep a constant, stable amount of blood hormones in you system you need to inject small amounts ED.

Look at this way.....
When you do orals.....do you do them all at once or spread them out through the day?
You spread them out, of course. Why?
Because they are cleared by the system fast.So we spread them out to try to keep a constant state of hormone through our system throughout the day.

Its the same principal with injects. But instead of throughout the day, its throughout the week.
Example: day 1 you take 500mg. By day 2, your hormone level is down to 479mg. So you take your pill, in this case, you inject of 75mg to bring levels back up to 500mg.

Now times 75mg by 7 days equals 525mg per week to keep a blood level of 500mg.
Where you are doing 2 injects per week at 500mg, which equals 1000mg.
Which equals more chance of sides plus more money!

And I totally agree with Swellin Bro, as I sure 99% of us do.....thats why I love running Test Prop and Tren Ace......less sides.

 

[outlawtas]

I beleive these facts are correct, however they are more important for the experienced user and not really for the first few cycles. It's just too much to comprehend and execute for someone who is new to gear. This will also require you to introduce timed injections, you can't be shooting in the morning one day and at night the next.

If your competitive and looking to score the best possible results with the least amount of sides steady blood levels will the ED injects are obviously better. They are just overkill for the Newb IMO.

 

[outlawtas]

Also the whole idea of frequent injects it keep blood levels constant, reducing sides and increasing gains. Lower-dosed cycles don't usually have significant sides effects and lower dosed cycles are usually used by new users, therefore they don't have much trouble putting on mass/strength.

 

[The Iron Bull]

I could not agree more with you, outlawtas2 Bro......

Way to much for a newbie to be thinking off. I personally start all my clients off with Test Prop, Tren Ace, or Dbol to begin with. I'm sure I dont need to explain why to you gentlemen.

Oh...I am going to start a thread on Anavar and PCT, which I would love to hear all your commets on.

 

[outlawtas]

I could not agree more with you, outlawtas2 Bro......

Way to much for a newbie to be thinking off. I personally start all my clients off with Test Prop, Tren Ace, or Dbol to begin with. I'm sure I dont need to explain why to you gentlemen.

Are you comp. trainer or something of that nature?

Oh...I am going to start a thread on Anavar and PCT, which I would love to hear all your commets on.

Definitely awaiting this one.

 

[simpllyhuge]

so what concentration do u reccomend making my test enthante at? i guess its okay especially when im running injectbale orals. I wanted to make my var injectbale, if i run gh. i would still inject the gh seperatly but would do the injectable var or tbol with the test enthante ed.

 

[Swellin]

so what concentration do u reccomend making my test enthante at? i guess its okay especially when im running injectbale orals. I wanted to make my var injectbale, if i run gh. i would still inject the gh seperatly but would do the injectable var or tbol with the test enthante ed.

When making my homebrew, I start out by deciding how many injects per week and how much volume I am willing to tolerate in each injection.

For instance:

1gram total injected EOD
3.5 injects per week.
I like .5-1.2ml per injection.
multiply .5*3.5 and 1.2*3.5
1.75ml-4.2ml per week

Use a range because it will allow you to hit your numbers better if you aren't anal about the exact dose and number of ml.

for 1.75ml per week, you need 571.42mg/ml
for 4.2ml per week, you need 238.1mg/ml

So consider the other compounds and their concentrations (in ranges so you can adjust each one).

Hope this helps.

 

[outlawtas]

Ok so this will be my third cycle, previously I have done just Deca, Test cycles. I am 200 pounds 13% bf. I have 10ml of tren 100mg/ml, 15ml of test eth 200mg/ml, and 15 ml of deca 300mg/ml. I was planning

Week
1 : Test (.75ml) Deca (.75ml) on monday and friday
2-7 : Test (.75ml) Deca (.75ml) on monday and friday & Tren (.5ml) EOD
8-10: Test (.75ml) Deca (.75ml) on monday and friday
12-16: Run Nolva and Arimidex daily

Now injecting every day sounds much better so if I were to inject every day what would you reccomend my dosages be at for the amount that I am using to maintain adequate levels?

Start your own, new thread bro. Your answers will get better responses that way and it's kinda rude to jack someone elses thread, esp. when it's an educational post.

 

[outlawtas]

Sorry man i'm new to the forum.

NP, welcome aboard.

 

[The Iron Bull]

Sorry Bros....dont have time for tea and a chant.....
I come out to play tomorrow, But I did notice the Calculator link wasnt working Soooo
here ya go....
http://www.roidcalc.com/