i think alot of people read about winstrol, anavar, primo, and tbol and the profiles sound so great...lean, quality mass, great strength, no acne, no water, they make you "harder" or "leaner", almost no sides, and no injecting. but these are very weak compounds in my opinion, which is why they have almost no sides, because there is almost no benefit. im closing out my cycle with oral winstrol, but after this, im done with orals man. they dont do shit compared to injectables. all these newbs that want to get "harder", "leaner", or "dryer" should just do cardio and diet. not to mention the outrageous price of all of these placebo pills! just my opinion man, nobody give me any shit.