So I'm 24, 205. Just a chubby joke. I eat 2000 cals a day and that's maintence for me it's a sick joke.i want to take the next step. I can get my hands on most steroids would winstrol be the best to lose weight for a beginner to juice.also are the side effects bad? Hat dosage should I take? Thanks anyone for any info!
Winstrol newbie,some help please
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Carpe Genitalia
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sorry inhuman...I had to change it. The last gif was giving me seizures.
EDIT: but I did find a smaller one!
EDIT: but I did find a smaller one!
inhuman2008
juice head
sorry inhuman...I had to change it. The last gif was giving me seizures.
EDIT: but I did find a smaller one!
ahh...still funny though
Austinite
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You need to measure your bodyfat.
... Sorry you have to deal with clutter in your thread.
DexterMorgan
No longer Cycles
I doubt that you consume 2k cals. at 6'0 205lbs you have to be eating more.
Winstrol will get you shutdown. Replacing natural test production with one oral is stupid. This is why oral only cycle is not recommend, unless you're a woman. You can run it with test if you want, but for the 1st cycle it's best to do test only cycle.
Read all the stickies in this section, stick around, and you can learn a lot.
Winstrol will get you shutdown. Replacing natural test production with one oral is stupid. This is why oral only cycle is not recommend, unless you're a woman. You can run it with test if you want, but for the 1st cycle it's best to do test only cycle.
Read all the stickies in this section, stick around, and you can learn a lot.
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Carpe Genitalia
So you're saying that asking someone's training history is irrelevant? Give me a break. The kid is overweight, a self-described chubby joke, and he wants the easy way out with steroids. I think the FIRST question that should be asked is do you even fucking lift?
Get over yourself.
Austinite
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I got over myself when I became an adult. You should try it. I'm sure it's in the best interest of the forum to retain members, not run them off. grow up. A quick look into your posts is a good indication that you should refrain from advising anyone anyway...
Asking for training (and diet) history is a bit different that "Do you even lift, Bro?", especially with the tired meme and graphics, although I am partial to the "Brethren, dost thou even hoist?" myself. I don't think anyone here is advocating the OP's use of AAS without a solid diet and an investment in the gym prior, but there's a difference between explaining to the newbies why AAS is a bad idea for them without the requisite foundation first and tossing gifs and jpegs up to be a douchenozzle.
OP, Winstrol (or any other steroid) is a BAD idea for you if you aren't ready for it. You need to know what this stuff does to you before you go putting it into your body, or you're asking for all kinds of trouble. In the meantime, like the others suggested, you really need to figure out where you are and make yourself a game plan to get to where you want to be. Establish your goals. Do you want to compete for lifting records? Do you want to look different? Are you going for a fitness look or a bodybuilding look? Once you establish goals for yourself, you can work toward them. Anyone here will tell you that diet is the key, without getting your diet in check, the steroids aren't going to give you the results you want. You'll just be wasting money.
Take a look down in the diet forum for examples, the moderator down there is 3J, and he has diet programs that have given past clients phenomenal results. Start with your diet and training, get plenty of rest, and in a few years you can make a decision on whether AAS is the right choice for you. In the meantime, stick around and learn. Read as much as you can about these compounds and what exactly they do to you.
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Carpe Genitalia
Well at least we figured out where our differences lie. I strongly disagree that it's in the best interest of this of forum to retain all it's members. In fact, if I were a mod there would be a lot fewer members. Anyone falling into the following categories should be removed without question:
1) Those who ask for sources
2) Teenagers
3) Those that do not eat, do not train, and are considering steroids
In case you haven't noticed, we are all in the illegal drug business. Every one of those types of people presents a risk to this forum and it's members. Now I don't know about you but allowing people that lack any semblance of common sense into the circle is an invitation for trouble. These members shouldn't be ran off they should be banned. Competent adults don't surround themselves with incompetent people when conducting illegal activities.
I'd also appreciate an instance of where I gave someone bad advice. Not only in the interest of substantiating your last sentence but I would like to know to insure it doesn't happen again. Thanks.
I don't see how it's any different save some pre-constructed bias on your part. The question was legit "do you even lift?". Anything else you project onto that is of your own creation.
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I didn't have to construct any bias. The difference is one reply was condescending and the other wasn't. Last time I checked, we're a community with a common interest. I'm not saying people necessarily need their hands held, but there's a constructive way to help someone and there's borderline insulting. Throwing memes around as a response doesn't seem very constructive...
Maybe you're tired of answering the same newbie questions or something, I don't know. But assuming these newbies trickling in are different people with similar interests to our community, doesn't it make sense to talk to them like adults instead of teenagers on 4chan?
Maybe you're tired of answering the same newbie questions or something, I don't know. But assuming these newbies trickling in are different people with similar interests to our community, doesn't it make sense to talk to them like adults instead of teenagers on 4chan?
Austinite
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Now you want to get philosophical? I guarantee you that no Admin of any forum would agree with you. This is a business after all. Minimizing members is not the goal and never will be. Member quality is important. Generally that involves not being judgemental.
Were you born with a perfect knowledge base? Neither is anyone who joins the forum. Instead of deterring them, why not take 20 seconds to educate them and/or point them in the right direction? Do you really and truly think that posting childish images with "Do you even lift bro" is educational or even a fair way to ask a question? Please don't try to justify it, it's embarrassing. I'm all for fun and games, but give newcomers a chance to learn.
What does illegal drugs have anything to do with this?? We're here because we truly believe that when used sensibly, you can benefit. If the forum didn't want clueless individuals joining, they could require an interview process. Ridiculous. That statement made no sense.
You can look at your own post history, I don't see any advice that indicates any individuality and/or knowledge. On the first page of post history I saw random questions asked with no follow up. Funny images and standard parroted bro-science. Not someone I really want to converse with. Which is why I never quoted you.
Frankly, I'm here to learn, too. There's a great deal of intelligence on this forum and I've appreciated and enjoyed many posts. But it's very discouraging when not-so-new members are judgemental and deterring. I was at 36% BF at one point, 12% today, does that mean I wasn't welcome back then? Maybe you can submit new rule suggestions to the owners.
My initial comment was for the OP, in an attempt to keep him around so that he can learn. Not to begin an argument with you. For what it's worth, I agree that teenagers and source seekers should not be allowed in.
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Carpe Genitalia
Ok well to be honest I had no idea that this forum was just a steroid supply store masquerading as an informational forum. If that's the case then I understand maximizing the number of members will maximize the profit for those involved but it doesn't mean I agree with it (Yes I can leave) but it's hardly the case that admins on any other forum would disagree with me. Other boards are far more strict with what new members can do. If you're too young, unprepared, irresponsible, etc you will be removed.
And it's not about possessing a perfect knowledge base to join, it's about effort. A large portion of the questions on the front page are answered in the stickies. It's right there. You can't miss them. They're stickies. With just a tiny bit of effort this person could have their query answered. Far less effort than what it takes to be in the gym or kitchen. So yeah, if they can't be bothered to read a sticky then imagine the effort with their diet and training.
Since this forum is a business, I'm not sure how you don't see the connection between the illegal drugs and a potentially irresponsible client base. Perhaps I'm overly cautious but anyone on this forum can get a source by simply joining and their behavior could be detrimental to the source, the forum, and it's members. I'm sure OP has already had his inbox lit up like I did when I first joined and I'm sure it won't be long before another Pinnacle thread gets sent to the top. The point is he'll have both a source for his easy way out and the temptation to do it. It's not good for any of us especially the OP.
If all new members were amenable to change and willing to listen then I have no problems but that's rarely the case. Most often it's "I'll do what I want" and that only increases the risk of all involved. It's not my forum sure but until the mods tell me I'm doing something wrong then it doesn't appear they have a problem with it and to be honest I don't see what the big deal was. My first post was a legitimate question framed with humor. I'm not exactly sure how it was insulting or even condescending to the OP.
heavylifting1
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Do more research. Diet is key to losing body fat same with cardio.
What are the other reasons for taking steroids? I forgot this wasn't a steroids forum my bad let me go find one.
I'm not a newbie to exercise and diet I am pretty well read in nutrition I know what I need to eat.when I need to eat. Not into bro science I believe in cals in vs cals out. Keep it clean and around 1800-2000 for me. Of course count calories as well in just looking to get some info on my first steroid experience.in around 20-25% bf. thanks anyone of course I will lift if I take steroids c'mon now.
Dude, at 6'0" 205 lbs and 2000 calories a day, you're NOT going to be able to pack on mass, it's as simple as that. You need more than double the intake that you have right now. I'll make this simple. Eating for bodybuilding is EXPENSIVE. Tally up just how much it's going to cost you to go to the supermarket and pick up food for yourself to make 5000 calories a day. Eating all that food is difficult, you're not going to be hungry at first, but you will adapt and eventually you'll be able to pack away that food, but at first it will actually be a struggle. Once you have the pieces in place, that is to say, a solid workout routine that is consistent (no skipping workouts unless there is injury), a solid 5000 calorie a day diet (you may need a little more or a little less, but 5000 calories is a good starting point, if you notice you're putting on more fat than you care, you can back down a little) and plenty of rest, your body will grow. 6'0" and 205 lbs is not big, unless it's mostly fat. When I was active duty, at 6'0" and 200, I looked skinny.
There is so much potential to grow naturally, and in the time it takes to grow naturally, you will strengthen the ligaments, tendons, and bones that are going to be carrying the load of your increased weights as you get stronger. Steroids don't make these other parts stronger, just your muscles. Imagine if you were to go onto a cycle with no solid foundation. Sure, as long as you lift and take your steroids, your muscles get stronger, but without those other parts getting stronger, you're risking severe injury, and while you're broken, you sure as hell won't be getting stronger, so you will have wasted that money and effort. If you take these compounds without knowing how they work, you are risking the side effects (some permanent) that you are unfamiliar with.
Taking steroids isn't just a short cut, and most of the folks here believe it isn't meant to be one at all. A common belief (that I think makes perfect sense) is that the reason to take steroids is to push yourself past the point that you're limited to by your genetics. A person that has lifted for years and years and stopped growing because his body just hit its limit of potential might use steroids to go even farther. I'm not saying that you need 20 years of lifting and eating big to be ready for steroids, only you can decide if you're truly ready, but you need to actually consider the reason you want to use them and weigh the risks versus the gains. Right now, with your current diet, and not knowing your training regimen or whether you get adequate rest in between training sessions, I would guess that you won't see very much in the way of gains from using, and those gains would go away after you stop using.
Get that diet on point first. It's going to be boring putting together that diet, and it'll take a while to really come up with a diet that you are interested in, because if you don't find the food appealing, you're not going to want to stick to it. Figure out what works for a 5000 calorie a day diet, split across 6-8 meals in a day, with the right macros for you. Don't worry about protein powders or supplements, you can do all of this with FOOD. Put together that meal plan and go out and buy that food and start eating and lifting and resting. It doesn't have to be a 100% clean diet, but it does need all of the macronutrients that your body will need. You can't go eating cheeseburgers every day or anything like that, but the occasional treat is fine, you're not going for a competition body or anything at this point. Record what you eat honestly, myfitnesspal.com is pretty handy for that since it has the caloric values and macronutrients for most foods already punched in so it can calculate that for you when you plug in what you've eaten. If you eat something that's not in there, punch the numbers in from the labels. Remember, this isn't a sprint, it's a marathon, you're going to be in this for the long haul if you start
