would this be oevrtraining???

kostek16

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i have arnolds encylopedia of modern body building and it gives examples of begginner and advanced workouts. In the work outs he hits every muscle group three times a week very hard i dont see how this does not fall into overtraining. He clearly new what he was doing and it worked but all any one talks about today is how less is more.

Here is an example of the begginner one or what he calls level 1 which looks like a lot. He says every set it to failure too.
Also says to do 5 sets 8 - 12 reps unless otherwise specfiied
Mon thursday - chest and back bench press
incline press
pullovers

chin ups
bent over rows
and deadlifst 3 sets of 10 6 4 reps to failure

tuesday friday - shoulders arms and forarms and abs

bbell clean an press
dbell lat raises
heavy up right rows 3 sets 10 6 4
push presses 3 sets 6 4 2

barbel curls
seated dbell curls
narrow grip bench
standing tri extensions wih barbell

wrist curls
reverse wrist curls
incline situps

wendnesday and sat
squats
lunges
leg curls
calf raises
straight leg deadlifts 10 6 4
good mornings 10 8 6
abs


haha seems like a lot kind of want to try it but not sure looking to change up my workout
 
i think people overhype "overtraiing" and that most of us are so far from it its not even remotely funny
 
I get overtrained a couple times a year but i do a ton of heavy lifting. Everbodys tolerance is diferent. . Youll know when it happens, it sucks. First thing that happens is strength starts dropping in the gym. Then my joints start to hurt, have trouble sleeping, start losing weight, etc. Then i take a copule weeks off and bounce right back. Just part of the learning process. Gotta learn from experience what you can get away with and what you cant. Im 40 and ive learned i cant train like a 20 year old
 
You know what they say...

No such thing as over training

just under eating :)


Exactly... now that im bulking again im working mostly everything but my back and legs twice a week (back grows easy and gets worked on other days anyway) and i always work in highish volume

Mon - Chest/light tri
Tues- legs/abs
wed - Back/light bi
thurs off
fri- Shoulders/light chest
sat- heavy arms (might add pm legs)
sun off
 
i think people overhype "overtraiing" and that most of us are so far from it its not even remotely funny

I could not disagree more. Over-training is very real and I would say that most people at some point experience it...

If you're training with incredibly high intensity (the most effective way to get great results) becoming over-trained can happen in a few short weeks.

If you don't believe me, train under Westside Barbell naturally for 6 weeks and tell me how you feel.
 
I could not disagree more. Over-training is very real and I would say that most people at some point experience it...

If you're training with incredibly high intensity (the most effective way to get great results) becoming over-trained can happen in a few short weeks.

If you don't believe me, train under Westside Barbell naturally for 6 weeks and tell me how you feel.

Westide barbell is how it happened to me a few weeks ago. I was making good progress and was about to hit 400 on the bench then the next week it dropped 25lbs and then 10 more lbs the week after.
 
I could not disagree more. Over-training is very real and I would say that most people at some point experience it...

If you're training with incredibly high intensity (the most effective way to get great results) becoming over-trained can happen in a few short weeks.

If you don't believe me, train under Westside Barbell naturally for 6 weeks and tell me how you feel.

whats this naturally thing you speak of?
 
It is hard to overtrain. When a lot people start feeling they are overtrained it is primarrily due to lack of nutrients.
 
It is hard to overtrain. When a lot people start feeling they are overtrained it is primarrily due to lack of nutrients.

Really?? Explain. I'd love for you to argue this point with some of the most elite athletes in the world who de-load to prevent over-training.
 
Well if that's the case then maybe you don't have the propensity to over-train as easily as others.

every 12 weeks or so ill take a week or so off to relax and reset my body... but ive never felt overtrained.. and i do high volume and push heavy.
 
every 12 weeks or so ill take a week or so off to relax and reset my body... but ive never felt overtrained.. and i do high volume and push heavy.

If you didnt take that week off every 12 weeks youd be telling a differnt story. Its the reason youve avoided overtraining.


Most however just keep plugging away with no breaks and dont understand whats happening when they start losing strength.
 
Really?? Explain. I'd love for you to argue this point with some of the most elite athletes in the world who de-load to prevent over-training.

I believe de-loading is a good thing to consider. Never said that it is impossible to over-train b.c it is possible. But when I feel as if I am overtraing, I do de-load and make adjustment to the diet.

However, the majority of athlete who think they are over training is do simply to a lack in nutrition.

I wouldnt consider elite athletes as the majority.
 
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