That would mean every 10ml vial needs to be discarded after 4 weeks? I find that hard to believe since you'd have to take 500mg each week to finish it before 28 days is up. Why would any pharmacy give 10ml vials (which seems to be the standard)?
11 months on TRT - 1,980 dollars later, not impressed with results
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That would mean every 10ml vial needs to be discarded after 4 weeks? I find that hard to believe since you'd have to take 500mg each week to finish it before 28 days is up. Why would any pharmacy give 10ml vials (which seems to be the standard)?
Mprtz
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Well I get 4ml vials from a compounding pharamacy, so I can't say specifically what the Watson packaging says, but 28 days is standard for multi-use vials. I'd be surprised if they weren't marked that way. Maybe someone with a Watson vial can chime in.
Obviously, the volatile preservatives are not going to last 80 weeks of air exchange.
Here's a link:
CDC - Multi-dose vials - Safe Practices for Medical Injections FAQs - Injections Safety
EDIT: after more searching found a link that confirms watson cyp is 28 days B.U.D:
www.cenegenicspost.com/archives/Cen Newsletter I1-V1-2010.pdf
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Reignman003
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I just checked the vial box and the vial itself. There is nothing saying to discard or stop use after a certain period of time. Just and expiration data of 8/2016.
Mprtz
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Multi-use vial is still only good for 28 days once the seal is broken unless it specifically says otherwise.
Does that mean I'd throw it out after 28 days? No. But I would insist that my prescription allows for a refill every 28 days regardless of my ridiculous prescribed dose.
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Reignman003
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I'll mention that during my next visit. Thanks for the info!
Reignman003
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So I had a nurse administer the first shot this morning. But I am not going to continue that trend. I'm going to start pinning it myself I'm thinking about 50mg every 3.5 days as recently suggested. Do you think I need to worry about AI at 100mg a week?
Mprtz
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Hard to say. Individual factors such as amount of bodyfat come into play. I think it's probably ok to start without one provided that you are going to do bloodwork in preferably 4 or at the latest 6 weeks. You'll need that anyway to see where your T levels are. If E2 is high at that point you can add the AI.
anzel
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I would get an AI just to be covered. You can try to ask your dr to prescribe and AI (although the way its been going with him who know what he'll say). Or pick up somehting online as suggested earlier.
I was just thinking that if you cont to have trouble finding a better dr maybe you should go with a clinic like IMT (sponsor on this board) your gonna be spending money but compared to the cost of the gel it will prob be the same but at least you can get something out of it.
Reignman003
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I forgot to mention that my 10mL vial of Test-C only cost me $47!!!!! That's 5 months worth (100mg week)! Before I was paying $180 for gel a month.
Roughly how much does AI cost? Is that inject? Or tabs? Thx!
Roughly how much does AI cost? Is that inject? Or tabs? Thx!
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
10ml of 250mg/ml costs me $98 here in Aus, and I have to transfer it to a vial myself.
An AI is taken orally (tabs), most likely you will get prescribed adex if you require one.
I have the original D-bol in tin foils from 30 years ago and it still works.10 in a package.straight from Russia.
Try to train just 2 body parts like triceps and biceps on the same day 4 times a week.15 sets of each.
I went 16 " to 18 " in 3 months in a bulking phrase.
Take the D-bol...I would split the D-bol into 2
It goes against the grain here because of no test shots.
Now since you have taken D-bol like me and I didn't shave but every 4 days until i came here and learned that I could have had low T for 20 years.So I re-took the D-bol and some substan250 for 3 months.One shot a month and I now think I'm at the level to where I shave every 1.5 days and finished PCT about 20 months ago.
I didn't train like mad...Just did those 2 body parts for 3 months and I grew.
Forget the Gel...Just ask for the substan250 if you want to do once a month tests shot.Cheaper too.
D-bol will aromatize so take a little anti-estrogen along the way.
Not sure if you want to take the oils...But I took a 14 year old substan250 vial and it smells sweet and its still good.
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
Horrible advice ^^^
OP do not go throwing in dbol or any other AAS for that matter. Focus on your TRT, get rid of that old vial, yeah it may be safe but for what it's worth I'd get rid of it.
Forget once a month shots, if you're using Test E/C you need no more than once a week shots, most people respond to 2x a week like I said earlier.
It is not a horrible advice since he is 29 years old and has taken D-bol and then he might have just shut down like me and not know it.I explained what I did to get me normal or at least I am shaving like One is suppose to.
So you're shut down from D-bol and now you want TRT ? ...nope.... I rather take the D-bol again and get the substan250 once a month or other tests shots if you can handle the weekly injections and do everything properly including diet,training and the PCT.
Get your blood work done before and after.The female panel blood since it's cheaper then the male panel.
The body will remember the D-bol and now it has Test to help the gains and then one can then program his body according to what he has learned.TRT is for life.I think he is just shut down from the d-bol.Doesn't need a doctor prescribing him cheap butt gel crap and spending that kind of money.
Don't knock it unless you tried it.25 year D-bol..Good as New.Split one pill in half and it still kicks good.
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So you're shut down from D-bol and now you want TRT ? ...nope.... I rather take the D-bol again and get the substan250 once a month or other tests shots if you can handle the weekly injections and do everything properly including diet,training and the PCT.
Get your blood work done before and after.The female panel blood since it's cheaper then the male panel.
The body will remember the D-bol and now it has Test to help the gains and then one can then program his body according to what he has learned.TRT is for life.I think he is just shut down from the d-bol.Doesn't need a doctor prescribing him cheap butt gel crap and spending that kind of money.
Don't knock it unless you tried it.25 year D-bol..Good as New.Split one pill in half and it still kicks good.
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STAUNCHED427
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Re-read the thread, better yet look at the title of the thread, OP is on TRT (has been on androgel), and is pissed at the amount of time and money spent trying to get it sorted.
Dbol has no place in this thread or his protocol. No does an PCT have any place in this thread as OP is on TRT.
Dbol has no place in this thread or his protocol. No does an PCT have any place in this thread as OP is on TRT.
You never juiced...so therefore..you're on TRT for medical purposes....But the threadstarter could be shut down from D-bol and Test E from 2004 and never recovered.I don't see anything about a proper recovering (PCT) using the PCT that's out there now compared to 2004.PCT is alot better these days.
We are talking about 2 different people doing 2 different things STAUNCHED427...Even his doctor doesn't agree with him and has him on a weak TRT program.He doesn't even know what the hell did to bring his T low in the first place.
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STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
I would say the PCT ship has sailed for OP after so many years... And regardless if you honestly think he should PCT, why are you suggesting Dbol? The words dbol and TRT do not belong in the same sentence.
Yes...so true D-bol and TRT is not the same...Mine was 20 years later when I redid the cycle with test added in...then PCT was done.I feel good.I even grew and kept my gains.
OP does have a choice...If he wants to stay on TRT from here on out and check bloods and taking care of himself for the rest of his life,then that's his choice for a better well being.
But he has done D-bol and Test but nothing about PCT and now he's running and saying he needs TRT now (low T)and not gaining anything for the work he's putting in.
If we took a step back...he needs that PCT done...So for that to happen is to stop all TRT and start PCT...then re-do that Cycle of D-bol and Test and finish it off with a proper PCT. I think this is the proper and cheaper and healthier way to get the gains he needs.Heck...he may even gain his natural T back or it may be higher then it is now with the PCT that they have now.In 2004..they didn't have crap for PCT but drinking urine from pregnant ladies or so they say.
Getting bloods done using the female panel is last time I've heard was $50
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
I see what you are saying, OP never mentioned whether he used PCT in his two previous cycles (went back and had a look, unless I missed it). In that case he may be able to get everything running on his own with a hCG blast and a SERM, but the chance becomes lower as time goes on.
I used the Finaflex Revolution PCT for about 2 weeks and then Nolvadex since I only used D-bol for about 3 weeks splitting a pill into 2 and the sub250 for 3 months,a shot a month with some anavar.I grew because I trained hard and the body had used what I gave it from the training all those other times.Seems it caught up and gave me good mass.
After 20 years since starting the proper PCT protocol,I can now shave every 1.5 days...That D-bol must have shut me down hard I guess and I shaved every 5 days.Talk about saving all that money on razors!
In between pct and a cycle...I would use DAA and Zinc and pure BCAA powder.
So OP...You have 2 different Views but most important question would be,did you use PCT during those 2 times in 2004 ?
After 20 years since starting the proper PCT protocol,I can now shave every 1.5 days...That D-bol must have shut me down hard I guess and I shaved every 5 days.Talk about saving all that money on razors!
In between pct and a cycle...I would use DAA and Zinc and pure BCAA powder.
So OP...You have 2 different Views but most important question would be,did you use PCT during those 2 times in 2004 ?
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