18 yr old - Low Testosterone

[Alpin]

That's why I stand by my original comment noting, I would like to see the thyroid issue dealt with first then if things still ain't right... HCG mono protocol and/or clomid could be used for the Low T to see how things respond.
I've seen guys increase their TT by 300 ng/dl by fixing their thyroid first. Some even dumped the TRT they were prematurely put on.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

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If the injections really are an issue, why not ask your TRT Doc about Nebido? (Test Undecanoate)

It's a slow releasing ester and I only have 1000mg/4ml injection every 10 weeks...

Stable blood levels, no peaks and troughs, 5 injections a year...

The UK is way behind in most things - but with TRT they certainly seem to have got this one right!

Good luck guys

BigBen

I think test undecanoate would be the next best option if injecting often wasn't really an option for some, I still think enanthate/cyp will always be better, however I am hoping in the future Australia get's in ass into act with TRT so I can try Test Phenlyprop E3D as an alternative to enanthate as pinning never has and never will be an issue.

 

[bigben66]

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I think test undecanoate would be the next best option if injecting often wasn't really an option for some, I still think enanthate/cyp will always be better, however I am hoping in the future Australia get's in ass into act with TRT so I can try Test Phenlyprop E3D as an alternative to enanthate as pinning never has and never will be an issue.

I was injecting Sustanon on a weekly basis for TRT before switching to Nebido... the peaks and troughs were f*cking hideous!
If I had a choice out of stable bloods on Nebido, or the ups and downs of a shorter ester - I'd choose Nebido every time - each to their own though

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Enanthate/Cypionate over Sustanon for both TRT and cycling, I never recommend sust for either no matter what. I'm a if you want fast get a short ester if you want a long ester get a long ester.

In that case I would still choose nebido over sust... but I don't know about the whole 12 week thing, if I ever grew old and sick of the injections, i'd switch to nebido every 4 weeks IMO, more stable is better.

 

[Miklu]

Well the synthroid itself has been making me feel MUCH better.

My endo said my thyroid and secondary hypogonadism are two different things, meaning treating thyroid won't fix testosterone and vice versa.

Unsure about why he did it this way, but I do not mind personally. A shot a week or even a few times a week if I implement hCG in my TRT regimen is a small price to pay for feeling like my old self again.

It was also free, and covered by my insurance. Hard to say no when your life is in shambles you know?

Also, DEFINITELY appreciate that man. It's nice to know knowledgeable people in such a matter as this.

how long did it took before you started to notice positive effects of synthroid?

 

[legitsrs]

how long did it took before you started to notice positive effects of synthroid?

Day 3 I started having trouble sleeping my usual 12 hours (lol).

Day 7 I could stay up longer than I usually could (could only make it like 8 hours prior).

Day 10 (today) and it's much of the same. My mind feels sharper however.
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Anyways, I can't PM which is annoying but I'd like to say a few things;

As you know, people can function on 300 ng/dl testosterone and feel fine. I could easily be one of those people so I just want to see how I feel in 2 months. Granted this Monday I will ask about hCG as that is highly important to me as well as my estradiol.

If my FSH and LH were already low, who's to say I cannot do an HPTA restart in 2 months based on what happens?

I'm genuinely curious, as I want to be 100% sure I feel like a new man with adequate levels of testosterone.

Thyroid regulation takes time as well, there is no question it's still not 100% in only 9 days without adjusting doses or such.

 

[Megatron28]

The longer your HPTA stays shut down the more difficult it will be to restart your natural test production. TRT should be the last resort. You are making a mistake.

 

[legitsrs]

The longer your HPTA stays shut down the more difficult it will be to restart your natural test production. TRT should be the last resort. You are making a mistake.

I don't see it that way at all, as it was already very low, and I don't feel like fking up my first semester of college due to feeling like how I used to. 60 days and 800grams of testosterone in total shouldn't hinder me much as my LH and FSH were low before.

You're also implying an HPTA restart is a sure thing.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I would probably stick with it now that your on already you'll be suppressed at the very least, get dialled in and see how you feel. If it is that dramatic at least you know what dose you need to run, frequency and what dose AI if you need it. You can always come off, but the longer you stay on that longer it will take to restore, and it will reach a point where restoring the HPTA won't come back what it originally was.

Look into hCG/Torem for when you restart you should bounce back in no time, just get dialed in asap dude.

 

[legitsrs]

I would probably stick with it now that your on already you'll be suppressed at the very least, get dialled in and see how you feel. If it is that dramatic at least you know what dose you need to run, frequency and what dose AI if you need it. You can always come off, but the longer you stay on that longer it will take to restore, and it will reach a point where restoring the HPTA won't come back what it originally was.

Look into hCG/Torem for when you restart you should bounce back in no time, just get dialed in asap dude.

I agree 100%.

But I'm confused, I thought hCG can keep natural production up whilst on TRT?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

hCG acts as an LH analogue so while it will keep you nuts running, it still supresses you at the pituitary.

 

[legitsrs]

hCG acts as an LH analogue so while it will keep you nuts running, it still supresses you at the pituitary.

Ah, gotcha.

 

[Megatron28]

I don't see it that way at all, as it was already very low, and I don't feel like fking up my first semester of college due to feeling like how I used to. 60 days and 800grams of testosterone in total shouldn't hinder me much as my LH and FSH were low before.

You're also implying an HPTA restart is a sure thing.

Well then, I guess you have it all figured out.

No, I am not implying that a restart is a sure thing. I am saying that you should not do anything that would make a restart less likely to succeed. If the restart doesn't work then you can go on TRT. But then again, you seem to think you have all this stuff sorted out so good luck.

 

[Alpin]

There's absolutely no reason this young man should be on T jabs....at least not yet.
His response to HCG or Clomid have not even been tested by this doctor.
From the look of his labs his LH/FSH are low....
His protocol should be Clomid 50 mg EOD imo..........

 

[Megatron28]

There's absolutely no reason this young man should be on T jabs....at least not yet.
His response to HCG or Clomid have not even been tested by this doctor.
From the look of his labs his LH/FSH are low....
His protocol should be Clomid 50 mg EOD imo..........

He doesn't "see it that way at all". He needs to apparently prove the hypothesis that testosterone is a required hormone for humans first.

 

[legitsrs]

Well then, I guess you have it all figured out.

No, I am not implying that a restart is a sure thing. I am saying that you should not do anything that would make a restart less likely to succeed. If the restart doesn't work then you can go on TRT. But then again, you seem to think you have all this stuff sorted out so good luck.

I'm not sure if I'm coming off as being disrespectful unintentionally but believe me that's not the case. Trust me, I really will talk to him about this it's just I cannot over the weekend.

He doesn't "see it that way at all". He needs to apparently prove the hypothesis that testosterone is a required hormone for humans first.

Oh come on, you know what I really meant.

There's absolutely no reason this young man should be on T jabs....at least not yet.
His response to HCG or Clomid have not even been tested by this doctor.
From the look of his labs his LH/FSH are low....
His protocol should be Clomid 50 mg EOD imo..........

I actually agree, I'm just afraid it won't work and I'll have ended up wasting a lot of time - plus I am not sure if my doctor is familiar with an HPTA restart with clomid/hCG as I have not spoken to him very much to be honest.

I definitely agree, it's obviously worth trying to save your balls and natural production by any means possible.

 

[Megatron28]

I'm not sure if I'm coming off as being disrespectful unintentionally but believe me that's not the case. Trust me, I really will talk to him about this it's just I cannot over the weekend.

Oh come on, you know what I really meant.


I actually agree, I'm just afraid it won't work and I'll have ended up wasting a lot of time - plus I am not sure if my doctor is familiar with an HPTA restart with clomid/hCG as I have not spoken to him very much to be honest.

I definitely agree, it's obviously worth trying to save your balls and natural production by any means possible.

I don't think I know what you really meant. All I know is what you wrote.

 

[legitsrs]

I don't think I know what you really meant. All I know is what you wrote.

I meant that it's possible for people to have 330ish testosterone and to be functioning fine and even be athletes with little to no symptoms.

 

[Alpin]

I'm not sure if I'm coming off as being disrespectful unintentionally but believe me that's not the case. Trust me, I really will talk to him about this it's just I cannot over the weekend.

Oh come on, you know what I really meant.


I actually agree, I'm just afraid it won't work and I'll have ended up wasting a lot of time - plus I am not sure if my doctor is familiar with an HPTA restart with clomid/hCG as I have not spoken to him very much to be honest.

I definitely agree, it's obviously worth trying to save your balls and natural production by any means possible.

I'm leaning toward the belief that HCG would work for you....judging by your labs.
You'd know within a month of getting on it whether it works or not.
Do labs 8 weeks out and see to confirm.

 

[legitsrs]

I'm leaning toward the belief that HCG would work for you....judging by your labs.
You'd know within a month of getting on it whether it works or not.
Do labs 8 weeks out and see to confirm.

Could you provide me a routine? You only mentioned clomid the first time - should I do both?

Any useful links?