1g of test 14 week cycle and ED with lactation.

[Lakers]

I am on week 7 of my test only cycle(I only run test now ). I am on a G and I have never really used an AI unless necessary since I heard that it hinders gains. I started having problems with my erections about 2 weeks ago and I decided to start aromasin. I am currently on 12.5mg EOD and I have been having a pretty bad day since I cannot get it up always. Some days my penis corporates and other days I even ended up ejaculating limp(which was traumatizing) . I squeezed my nipple and although I do not seem to have gyno,I saw a tiny amount of yellow liquid come out of my nipple.


I have read conflicting information about whether ED is caused by higher estro. I had a few buds that used to compete and they told me not to use an AI unless I had sides. Now that I have sides I am trying to figure out a few things. How long will it take before my erections are back to normal? Why are my nipples lactating if I am not taking anything that ups prolactin production? I forgot to mention that I also started 500HCG e3d around a week ago. Any help will be greatly appreciated as I am in a terrible predicament unfortunately.

 

[casanovaaa]

ai's are used to prevent sides not to counter sides after you get them. get blood works done.

 

[scorob777]

You didn't say what kind of test you are taking. Test P at 1,000 mg/wk would require 14.8mg/day aromasin, Test E at 1,000 mg/wk would require 12.88 mg/day, Test C at 1,000 12.5 mg/day. So you may be taking half (or less) of what you need right now.

Interesting comments: "I have read conflicting information about whether ED is caused by higher estro." What is conflicting about high E2 causing loss of libido, loss of erections, and difficulty in orgasming? That's a fact, no conflict. Add to that high blood pressure, prostate problems, acne, emotional wreck. Your advice to not use an AI to maximize gains is really poor.

Lactation I don't know, thought that was more of a problem with 19-nors like deca and tren.

Good luck, keep us posted

 

[Lakers]

You didn't say what kind of test you are taking. Test P at 1,000 mg/wk would require 14.8mg/day aromasin, Test E at 1,000 mg/wk would require 12.88 mg/day, Test C at 1,000 12.5 mg/day. So you may be taking half (or less) of what you need right now.

Interesting comments: "I have read conflicting information about whether ED is caused by higher estro." What is conflicting about high E2 causing loss of libido, loss of erections, and difficulty in orgasming? That's a fact, no conflict. Add to that high blood pressure, prostate problems, acne, emotional wreck. Your advice to not use an AI to maximize gains is really poor.

Lactation I don't know, thought that was more of a problem with 19-nors like deca and tren.

Good luck, keep us posted

I am using test E.Ive done other cycles before with different compounds where I will be getting cold sweats at night. I don't feel like I have too many sides comparably speaking,besides of course the ED.I am not sure if the ED is psychological because sometimes my dick works and other times it doesnt,when it does though my erection only last around 10 minutes before I lose it. I get morning wood but its like a hard semi erection if that makes sense. I think about sex alot still but I do not necessarily feel the horniness in the body.


What worries me is that I am not too sure if the ED is psychological.Problem is when you have the misfortune of ejaculating limp,it completely psyches you out. I never know now whether I can trust my wood or not. I appreciate the replies guys.

 

[Mycelium]

Controlling estrogen properly will not hinder gains. Not muscle gains. If high estrogen lead to water retention is NOT gaining it really hindering gains? To low or to high estrogen has more effects than acne, limp dick and tits.

I've studied estrogens in the line of epileptics because I'm am epileptic and estrogen isn't to be played with. High or low. It's deeply involved or both brains and bones. Gyno is the least of it. Alzheimer's and statistically higher estrogen levels were mentioned several times in my personal studies of neuro-endocrinologly.

Lactation. . . . . Maybe mislabeled AAS or your body is in some trouble. Labs bro. Get them Labs!!!!!

 

[Old Duffer]

1st off your buds are idiots.
2nd stop reading wherever the conflicting info is. Morons.

I am sorry about your situation but you have put your body into a shitstorm of unbalanced hormones. Now you pay the price. Labs as recommended above is the only way to know how big the storm is. Even if you stopped everything TODAY and started proper PCT your normal sexual function may not come back for months. If you have permanently damaged your systems it may never be the same

I used to joke about starting a sticky called Dont be this guy. This thread goes there!

 

[Lakers]

1st off your buds are idiots.
2nd stop reading wherever the conflicting info is. Morons.

I am sorry about your situation but you have put your body into a shitstorm of unbalanced hormones. Now you pay the price. Labs as recommended above is the only way to know how big the storm is. Even if you stopped everything TODAY and started proper PCT your normal sexual function may not come back for months. If you have permanently damaged your systems it may never be the same

I used to joke about starting a sticky called Dont be this guy. This thread goes there!

The AI thing is really over used on here though. As far as the nipple goes,I had to squeeze really hard for a miniscule amount. The breast tissue doesn't look inflamed at all,and I have never had an issue with gyno. Usually if it starts getting that lumpy look,an ai and a week or so later and my nipple is completely flat. I took a nap and after taking the asin my erections SEEM to be coming back. I dont like all the fear mongering in this thread,it is unnecessary."If you have permanently damaged your systems it may never be the same" this is just intellectually dishonest. If TRT doesn't fix your ED ,you have issues that go above a hormonal problem. So many reasons to have ED besides just testosterone and estrogen.Thyroid function can impact erectile performance as well as venous leaks.

People now a days pop the aromatase inhibitor even if they aren't feeling any symptoms. Fear mongering isn't going to work on me,I know enough about this to the point where I know that steroids CANNOT cause permanent erectile dysfunction. If you get ED because you went hypogonadal from all your cycles,that is completely different from causing "permanent damage to my systems" .

Anyways my nipple doesn't look too bad,I will probably keep dosing the asin and come back on here.I don't get your silly patronizing joke about "don't be this guy". If you are just going to regurgitate what you read on the stickies you clearly do not have enough understanding to be talking to others in a patronizing tone. Do you even understand the mechanisms behind why estrogen causes erectile dysfunction? Can you explain that to me in layman's term?

I just feel like your reply was nothing more than a stroke to your own ego. You answered nothing that I asked and you basically came in here to call me an idiot.So don't be the guy that talks down on others when they barely grasp the subject matter.

Talking down on people is disrespectful just for future reference,there are some 300lbs competitors that do a few G\s of gear a week and they do not touch AI's unless they are needed. Do some research on it. Don't just tell me to read the stickies. Everybody in this game thinks that the other person that does something different is an idiot. In this sport there are many different ways to skin the cat. In this sport everyone thinks they know it all,although the reality is 90% if broscience passed from one person to the next.

I am NOT saying AI's are bad,I do find it insulting that you think that because I didn't read the sticky that means I haven't researched before.

 

[tbonexl]

The AI thing is really over used on here though. As far as the nipple goes,I had to squeeze really hard for a miniscule amount. The breast tissue doesn't look inflamed at all,and I have never had an issue with gyno. Usually if it starts getting that lumpy look,an ai and a week or so later and my nipple is completely flat. I took a nap and after taking the asin my erections SEEM to be coming back. I dont like all the fear mongering in this thread,it is unnecessary."If you have permanently damaged your systems it may never be the same" this is just intellectually dishonest. If TRT doesn't fix your ED ,you have issues that go above a hormonal problem. So many reasons to have ED besides just testosterone and estrogen.Thyroid function can impact erectile performance as well as venous leaks.

People now a days pop the aromatase inhibitor even if they aren't feeling any symptoms. Fear mongering isn't going to work on me,I know enough about this to the point where I know that steroids CANNOT cause permanent erectile dysfunction. If you get ED because you went hypogonadal from all your cycles,that is completely different from causing "permanent damage to my systems" .

Anyways my nipple doesn't look too bad,I will probably keep dosing the asin and come back on here.I don't get your silly patronizing joke about "don't be this guy". If you are just going to regurgitate what you read on the stickies you clearly do not have enough understanding to be talking to others in a patronizing tone. Do you even understand the mechanisms behind why estrogen causes erectile dysfunction? Can you explain that to me in layman's term?

I just feel like your reply was nothing more than a stroke to your own ego. You answered nothing that I asked and you basically came in here to call me an idiot.So don't be the guy that talks down on others when they barely grasp the subject matter.

Talking down on people is disrespectful just for future reference,there are some 300lbs competitors that do a few G\s of gear a week and they do not touch AI's unless they are needed. Do some research on it. Don't just tell me to read the stickies. Everybody in this game thinks that the other person that does something different is an idiot. In this sport there are many different ways to skin the cat. In this sport everyone thinks they know it all,although the reality is 90% if broscience passed from one person to the next.

I am NOT saying AI's are bad,I do find it insulting that you think that because I didn't read the sticky that means I haven't researched before.

Your the one who posted the problems tho bud... lol

 

[Old Duffer]

Yup. Another Do not be this guy candidate.

Btw I let my wife stroke my ego

 

[Lakers]

Yup. Another Do not be this guy candidate.

Btw I let my wife stroke my ego

You're post provided zero helpful information. It was nothing more than an ego stroke. You are just here to suck your own cock more so than to help others.You seem pretty ignorant to think that you are an expert on this. I guess you know more than guys that win competitions. You know there was no AI's back in the day right? Keep speaking out of your ass though.

 

[Old Duffer]

Emotional outbursts are a symptom of high estrogen.

I hear AI can help with that

 

[Lakers]

Emotional outbursts are a symptom of high estrogen.

I hear AI can help with that

You came on the thread to tell everyone "look at me I am smart". I am not having an emotional outburst but I am just saying you are a child for coming on the thread to flatter yourself.Maybe if you were more accomplished in life you wouldn't feel the need to come into the thread with the sole purpose of making yourself feel good. You are the only guy on this thread that posted zero advice and dropped zero knowledge. Your commentary serves no purpose,you came on here to get likes lol. What is funny is that you say my estrogen is causing an emotional outburst while you seek validation from internet strangers. You are a clown.

 

[tbonexl]

You came on the thread to tell everyone "look at me I am smart". I am not having an emotional outburst but I am just saying you are a child for coming on the thread to flatter yourself.Maybe if you were more accomplished in life you wouldn't feel the need to come into the thread with the sole purpose of making yourself feel good. You are the only guy on this thread that posted zero advice and dropped zero knowledge. Your commentary serves no purpose,you came on here to get likes lol. What is funny is that you say my estrogen is causing an emotional outburst while you seek validation from internet strangers. You are a clown.

With all the effort your spending bashing the guys that are trying to help you, you could've done a tiny bit of research and never had an issue to begin with. To go on about how this person is ignorant and that person doesn't know what they're talking about is very childish. They're not the ones pinning a gram of test for 7 weeks with no ai at all. They're not the ones with ED. They certainly didn't post about it. You need to check your ego bud. The faster you realize you fucked up the faster you can fix this shit.
Don't listen to what anyone has to say. That's fine. Do yourself a favor and get bloodwork done. Then you know the FACTS not a bunch of guessing bullshit.

Btw, don't bring up what bodybuilders did in the past to try and win an argument. They paved the way with trial and error so we could learn from it and stupid shit like this won't happen. They had to suffer with all the unknowns and risk their life basically because there was no research on anything. Sure, some got lucky but most didn't. Stop being ignorant about yourself bud. Your not doing anyone including yourself any favors...

 

[Lakers]

With all the effort your spending bashing the guys that are trying to help you, you could've done a tiny bit of research and never had an issue to begin with. To go on about how this person is ignorant and that person doesn't know what they're talking about is very childish. They're not the ones pinning a gram of test for 7 weeks with no ai at all. They're not the ones with ED. They certainly didn't post about it. You need to check your ego bud. The faster you realize you fucked up the faster you can fix this shit.
Don't listen to what anyone has to say. That's fine. Do yourself a favor and get bloodwork done. Then you know the FACTS not a bunch of guessing bullshit.

Btw, don't bring up what bodybuilders did in the past to try and win an argument. They paved the way with trial and error so we could learn from it and stupid shit like this won't happen. They had to suffer with all the unknowns and risk their life basically because there was no research on anything. Sure, some got lucky but most didn't. Stop being ignorant about yourself bud. Your not doing anyone including yourself any favors...

He gave no advice here you fucking twat. Yes I am talking back to your boyfriend,is there a problem? He offered no advice,he came on here to suck his OWN cock because I guess you doing it isn't enough for him. Now take your gay ass out of my thread because you have given zero advice. I don't care about your boyfriends feelings.

I guess you are too goddamn stupid to read that I started on an AI. How am I not listening to advice? I was already on an AI before i posted here. You need to learn to read before you stick up for your boyfriend on ology.No other steroid forum allows clowns to come in and post their little bullshit without atleast offering explanations. "LOL read the stickies" is some BS coming from a member that joined here in 2015. Lots of forums say not to use AI unless you NEED to. Regurgitating information does not make you smart. When you can tell me the function of estrogen on the penile tissue using logic and reasoning come back to me.

I didn't ignore anyones advice you fucking moron. That is the go to line. People on ology go talk shit and when they get a little bit more than they bargained for they say "Wow don't ask for advice if you don't want it".The fact that you are sticking up for your boyfriend goes to show that this was never about helping the community. This douchebag came on here to stroke his own ego and I told him to go suck a cock. Everyone here said to take an AI,guess what peanut brain? I stated in the OP before your boyfriend even posted that I am ALREADY ON AN AI!! How is this not following advice? No I don't have to suck your internet cock here,you aren't even a mod. All your boyfriends post consist of trolling.

 

[LateStart]

AI or no......bloodwork is a must, even on cycle, at a certain level of hormone use. This is a lot of testosterone and tests should probably be frequent in order to stay ahead of issues.
Really sorry this is happening. Get some bloods and post it up. Keep dosing the AI in the mean time.
This is what I would do I think. Good luck bro. Hope it works out....whatever you decide. Please update us on the outcome so we can all learn.

 

[Lakers]

AI or no......bloodwork is a must, even on cycle, at a certain level of hormone use. This is a lot of testosterone and tests should probably be frequent in order to stay ahead of issues.
Really sorry this is happening. Get some bloods and post it up. Keep dosing the AI in the mean time.
This is what I would do I think. Good luck bro. Hope it works out....whatever you decide. Please update us on the outcome so we can all learn.

I appreciate the help bro.I will get bloods atleast test/estrogen wise. I also want to get prolactin if possible and a few other things. Unfortunately it may be a bit since it's christmas time and everything is busy. Like I said before the ED comes and goes. As far as AI goes I have read lots on it,just prefer keeping it on hand in case I need it instead of just taking it right off the bat. I do not think an AI is necessary for 500MG of underdosed UGL gear for me personally. Right now I only have Asin on hand so I am going to have to wait a little bit for it to kick in.

 

[LateStart]

Tried any Viagra or cialis to help the ED while waiting on bloods?
Might help. I alternate between the 2 when I'm having issues. Could work? At least until ya find out what your levels are so you can attack it from the most appropriate angle.

 

[Lakers]

Tried any Viagra or cialis to help the ED while waiting on bloods?
Might help. I alternate between the 2 when I'm having issues. Could work? At least until ya find out what your levels are so you can attack it from the most appropriate angle.

Cialis works alright. I get mine from an Indian pharma and have heard that they are less potent than the American versions. I took a cialis and my penis wasnt working until a day later. It's like the indian kind doesn't really kick in until 12-24 hours. Viagra,I unfortunately do not have any right now. Problem is I do not want to rely on cialis.I thought my issue was psychological but when you jack off and ejaculate soft I think it is fair to say there is a bigger issue taking place. I have switched from a good UGL to a bad UGL mid cycle and experienced ED due to fake gear and being shut down. It's really hard to pinpoint what the cause of my ED is at this point. I had moonface and somewhat sensitive nipples. If I crash my E2 from what I have read I still should be able to get a hard erection.

How long on aromasin before I should notice positive changes to my ED issue? My only problem with cialis is that it feels like there is still a problem there. For example in a situation where I would go limp,with cialis instead of going completely limp I just lose the full glans instead of the whole penis going limp if that makes sense. I thought I maybe had a venous leak but I am not too sure now,it honestly feels like a hormonal issue. My morning woods you could bend at the middle.

I am praying to god that my issue is E2 related and not something else. I seriously do not know what else to do if my erections aren't solved by the AI.

 

[Mycelium]

If all you are talking about is tits in reference to estrogen you have no clue to the depths estrogen effects your body.

You post on here with problems yet try to maintain some educated ********** Your protocol is obviously off. "Fear mongering" . . . . Point blank estrogen plays a role in bone and brain function. You keep mentioning gyno like it's the real issue when your bones and brain are being effected.


"""""People now a days pop the aromatase inhibitor even if they aren't feeling any symptoms. Fear mongering isn't going to work on me,I know enough about this to the point where I know that steroids CANNOT cause permanent erectile dysfunction. If you get ED because you went hypogonadal from all your cycles,that is completely different from causing "permanent damage to my systems" ."""""""

^^^^^that^^^^^ is a semantic argument by someone who obviously doesnt understand. Semi-informed posturing.

I'll have it out with you knowledge wise any day. We can site references of trials, studies, reviews and textbooks for all statements.

Click my pic>go to my profile>click threads started by >then read my shit. Im reference verified amd all the info posted above is supported.

You're talking bro science to the point of dogma and straight up misinformation. I despise dogma and misinformation.

 

[Lakers]

If all you are talking about is tits in reference to estrogen you have no clue to the depths estrogen effects your body.

You post on here with problems yet try to maintain some educated ********** Your protocol is obviously off. "Fear mongering" . . . . Point blank estrogen plays a role in bone and brain function. You keep mentioning gyno like it's the real issue when your bones and brain are being effected.


"""""People now a days pop the aromatase inhibitor even if they aren't feeling any symptoms. Fear mongering isn't going to work on me,I know enough about this to the point where I know that steroids CANNOT cause permanent erectile dysfunction. If you get ED because you went hypogonadal from all your cycles,that is completely different from causing "permanent damage to my systems" ."""""""

^^^^^that^^^^^ is a semantic argument by someone who obviously doesnt understand. Semi-informed posturing.

I'll have it out with you knowledge wise any day. We can site references of trials, studies, reviews and textbooks for all statements.

Click my pic>go to my profile>click threads started by >then read my shit. Im reference verified amd all the info posted above is supported.

You're talking bro science to the point of dogma and straight up misinformation. I despise dogma and misinformation.

Now the old fuck with a tattoo on his abdomen is playing the intellectual here. Did I ever once say that the only problem estrogen caused was tits? Where did I say that? All I said is to use an AI on an AS NEEDED basis and not just popping it with your shill ugl gear because thats what you read on the sticky. You weigh 180lbs soaking wet,the guys that told me this info are 300lbs big guys that take grams of test. Not your stupid 500mg of bunk test that you chose to use your bunk AI with. My protocol is off why? Many people all over the steroid forums take AI on an as needed basis. Saying that estrogen causes permanent ED is complete and utter bullshit.

It's funny your friend comes on this thread,derails it and now you want your ego stroked. You are not a smart man. You have a big ugly tattoo across your abdomen and you are posting your face on a forum associated with drugs. Don't come into my thread acting all high and mighty with your little peanut brain. You have some breast tissue too so clearly you haven't used your AI properly,I don't have any of that thankfully.

Anything you say is irrelevant because you lack the common sense not to post your picture on a STEROID forum. Secondly,no one is going to ever take you seriously with that tramp stamp across your abdomen.