1st Anavar (var) cycle - headaches???

[Detour5]

Was about to say, can't be test flu...

 

[sheflexed]

Look like there is some solid knowledge in here... I don't mean to high jack this thread but I hv bn into athletics for a while. Lifted, ran and hv bn in the military ... I hv had a hell of a time getting that cut look. I recently excepted the challenge of doing s physique show and am strongly considering jumping on Anavar at a low dose for a cycle for some extra help.

How fast do u see results and what's good to stack it with (otc vitamins etc)

 

[frenchy121]

Jenner..I'm fine today no headaches or anything must have just been first day as its new in my system... I just going to slowly build up my dose

 

[Mrs P]

I've never done a cycle. I came here to learn about them in the off chance that I decide to for competing. I've competed natural and have no trouble gaining muscle - except my blasted calves (love my black genes but damn!) to be honest, the more I read and learn the more I'm put off by the idea of doing a cycle. For me the main thing would be fat stripping which is all about diet for me, I don't have to do much cardio if I stick to my diet. That's probably why I go on about diet so much... Because I know once you've found the right one for your body type and goals you'll be surprised how much less time you can spend in the gym. But listen to your body and make notes, that way you can backtrack and know for sure what works.

Agree with this 110 %
Good post D


Glad to hear your doing better Frenchy

 

[sheflexed]

Unfortunately I have never competed but my advice would be to find a good coach that can help you with diet etc...that's most important IMO.

Getting the "cut" look isn't easy and your genetics might not even allow for it.

My experiences with aas has been purely for my own self satisfaction, knowing that my results would not be magical and that I would have to deal with sides I might not like.

You haven't posted weight, height, diet, training etc... so it's a bit hard to give you solid advice.

J

Picture coming shortly.


I eat Every two hours... 2028 calories 231g protein, 188g carbs, 61g fat....

Beef isolate is a staple, hv hard time w whey. I do turkey fish and chicken. Carbs r Broc/spinach. Small amount of brown rice

I do HIIT for cardio. Btwn 25-35 mins 3-4 days a week in the morning.

Lift 5-6 days a week...
Monday- quads
Tuesday - back/bi
Wed- chest//Tri
Thursday - shoulders
Fri- hamstrings

5'5 ... 140... 15% fat

I go heavy, hv a trainer and nutrition coach.

 

[essays]

Beef isolate is pretty gross. Look up VEGA for the best alternative to whey. It's not soy based.

Your nutrition coach is leading you astray if you're eating that much protein. Even on steroids, that would be in excess. Protein requirements for muscle building are HIGHLY overstated.

 

[sheflexed]

Beef isolate is pretty gross. Look up VEGA for the best alternative to whey. It's not soy based.

Your nutrition coach is leading you astray if you're eating that much protein. Even on steroids, that would be in excess. Protein requirements for muscle building are HIGHLY overstated.

It just increased this week. It previously was 158, 105, 39 at 1415 calories ...was in a major calorie deficit ....worked well to drop a lot of fat. But I was always hungry! No I cringe whn i think about eating. LOL.

Lol I actually like the fruit punch carnivore! I mean i was using True Protein's.... anything is better than that for sure! It actually made me puke. Isn't red meat important?

 

[essays]

It just increased this week. It previously was 158, 105, 39 at 1415 calories ...was in a major calorie deficit ....worked well to drop a lot of fat. But I was always hungry! No I cringe whn i think about eating. LOL.

Lol I actually like the fruit punch carnivore! I mean i was using True Protein's.... anything is better than that for sure! It actually made me puke. Isn't red meat important?

Red meat isn't important as long as you're getting your nutrients elsewhere. If you like Carnivore, go ahead and use it. I just happen to think it tastes like crap, but everyones tastes are different VEGA is a canadian brand, but they are the leader in vegetable based proteins. They don't use soy. If you have any gastric problems with proteins, that's your best solution.

Trueprotein sucks too

You could easily cut down that protein total and add to your fat and carbs. This is easy to do if you eat sweet potatoes, yams, and fish.

You will hear countless guys (read: meatheads) preaching that you need 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. I have yet to find a study that shows benefit to more than .8g per lb of fat free mass. The only time I'd use more than that is on steroids.

 

[sheflexed]

well seems like you are on the right track, having a trainer and nutrition coach, I am assuming they don't know anything about aas?

As for your macros, it all depends on your goals. If you are beefing up, I don't see an issue with what you are doing. But, I do agree that these macros probably will not allow you to drop the weight you speak of. When I was in the height of my cycle mine were a bit more than what you have right now and I sure as hell wasn't leaning out with it (keeping in mind we are all different of course
).

Nutrition coach told me to notify him as I start as it well change things... he's got some pros under his belt and i mostly trust his judgement. I hvnt started a cycle yet, I want to make sure I am on point before I jump on plus I am having some issues verifying the authenticity of things b4 I buy.

My trainer is a beast but doesn't know about aas. Has a don't ask don't tell policy.

 

[Detour5]

Frenchy,

How is it all going so far? How long has it been and have you noticed any minor physical changes and increased strength/endurance yet?

Interested in knowing how that var is going for you.

 

[Detour5]

...And nice looking mid-section Jenner

 

[frenchy121]

Well... I've done a week still v low at 2.5mg may increase to 5mg tomorrow. I noticed from when I did my bicep workout Saturday I was def pushing harder and they still ache today.. Take note I NEVER get doms in my biceps. My squats were heavier yesterday, I keep these lighter at the min as I did my back in from constantly squatting heavy.. But I managed to go heavier yesterday... So, it could be the Anavar (var), or just me? Hmmmmm... Sticking to my diet very strict although I had a mars bar today couldn't help it I love chocolate I now I can't have it! I'll keep you posted

 

[frenchy121]

I need to get a pic up but laptop has broke. My arms are tones and muscular anyway- always built muscle quick on my arms an my triceps pop out anyway, my lat delts have always been good so hopefully this will make them look better! I've always moaned about my mid section I hold on to it.. I know aas is not for fat loss, but with the increased muscle and cutting diet I reckon I'll cut a bit. I would like my quads to have 'the split' down the front ... Let's see if I can achieve that also I would like slightly bigger calfs, they are defined but I have trouble building them but I prob don't do as much as I should on them

 

[Mrs P]

lol, thanks, I like yours better!

I had this discussion the other day at the gym about the formation of ab muscles. I'm wondering if I can get that six pack look or am I stuck with the V shape...hmmmm

I've wondered the same thing for myself Jen, I see my upper abs, but my lower abs are very stubborn...
What's your bf % now ? abs start showing in women when bf is below 17 %

btw, you look great

 

[frenchy121]

I'd be happy if I could just see one an! Be grateful you guys

 

[Mrs P]

I'd be happy if I could just see one an! Be grateful you guys

lol, I'm really not looking to get the six pack look, I do like to see some definition & I love tonned obliques.

For me what works best is hanging knee raises, reverse crunch, vertical leg crunch, plank & I just got a kick boxing bag, so I'll be incorporating some kickboxing too, believe it or not kick boxing is a great way to work your abs. You really use the abs heavily every time you throw a kick.
Plus is a great way to distress, I can't wait ! will probably start tomorrow...

 

[frenchy121]

Well I LOVE chocolate, so no abs for me!
Being on a cutting diet I'm still going to have the odd bar- it's not going to make any difference. You have to eat an extra 3500 calories to gain a pund of fat.. So, lifting weights 5 x per week yr constantly on the burn, so in effect this will not lead to fat loss. Do you see where I' coming from? Tho this is way off the initial topic- sorry!

 

[Detour5]

lol, thanks, I like yours better!

I had this discussion the other day at the gym about the formation of ab muscles. I'm wondering if I can get that six pack look or am I stuck with the V shape...hmmmm

Lol thank you. Had my baby son 4 months ago so it's not like my avi at the mo
I will say just like everything else, how your abs turn out is genetic. My top 4 will show up and my obliques stand out too, even with higher body fat you can see those parts. Just how my body is. Could be also because of the activities I do largely rely on mid section strength more than other parts of my body..

But trust me, you look great and same goes for Mrs P.

 

[Detour5]

Well I LOVE chocolate, so no abs for me!
Being on a cutting diet I'm still going to have the odd bar- it's not going to make any difference. You have to eat an extra 3500 calories to gain a pund of fat.. So, lifting weights 5 x per week yr constantly on the burn, so in effect this will not lead to fat loss. Do you see where I' coming from? Tho this is way off the initial topic- sorry!

On comp diets I always had a once a week cheat, but for my usual I let myself have treats like that 2 - 3 times per week, because I'm not pressuring myself to look like a fitness queen when not competing. The trick is when you cheat and what it is.. Pay attention to your body

 

[Mrs. Banner]

Frenchy, in my experience with Anavar (var), I had doms a lot. I rarley felt sore after a workout before i started taking it but it was happening all the time while on var. As for the headaches, I did have them when I started but they eventually stopped.

Good luck with it, you will like it!