1st Cycle @ 35yrs. old

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bulldog743

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Well, i finally did it, i have worked out all my life, being a construction electrician has kept me in shape, until a little while ago, i have noticed a huge change in enery levels, moodiness, low-very low sex drive, looked into a hormone therapy program, bought a 6 month program of "test cypionate" decided not to get into the growth hormone yet.... But researched the whole injection thing, have a folder of info about an inch thick, had my wife read it, not being one for needles, i was scared to death---a 1.5 in. needle being admin. by my wife? I thought i was going to hurl..... Must have taken a good 20min. until i pulled my pants back up, then i thought to myself, man it didn't even hurt! The size really freaked me out and every time she got close, i jumped, then when i braced my self holding on to the door jam, i watched in the mirror as she pushed it 95% in, waiting for this great amount of pain, then came the aspiration, still no pain, (thank god" no blood, just bubbles), then she took it out, all over and no pain, at all..... :druggie: Starting with 250mgs. of test cyp..... for 10 weeks then hcg, then 10 weeks 350mgs... taking 50 mgs pills of Teslac every other day starting week #2 (anti-estrogen)....... Starting weight about 210lbs. a little belly, chest--49in. biceps-18.5, waist 36in.... Goal would be more enery levels, more sex drive and a 32 in. waist, happy with everything else......Never took test or anything but protein powder in my life, bench around 350lbs... Mostly do Dorian's Yates work-out philosphy, low reps, failure type training...... Will keep informed of progress, exicited to see what comes of this 6 month therapy..... :startrek:
Arnold..... And yes, its my real name!
 
bulldog743 said:
Well, i finally did it, i have worked out all my life, being a construction electrician has kept me in shape, until a little while ago, i have noticed a huge change in enery levels, moodiness, low-very low sex drive, looked into a hormone therapy program, bought a 6 month program of "test cypionate" decided not to get into the growth hormone yet.... But researched the whole injection thing, have a folder of info about an inch thick, had my wife read it, not being one for needles, i was scared to death---a 1.5 in. needle being admin. by my wife? I thought i was going to hurl..... Must have taken a good 20min. until i pulled my pants back up, then i thought to myself, man it didn't even hurt! The size really freaked me out and every time she got close, i jumped, then when i braced my self holding on to the door jam, i watched in the mirror as she pushed it 95% in, waiting for this great amount of pain, then came the aspiration, still no pain, (thank god" no blood, just bubbles), then she took it out, all over and no pain, at all..... :druggie: Starting with 250mgs. of test cyp..... for 10 weeks then hcg, then 10 weeks 350mgs... taking 50 mgs pills of Teslac every other day starting week #2 (anti-estrogen)....... Starting weight about 210lbs. a little belly, chest--49in. biceps-18.5, waist 36in.... Goal would be more enery levels, more sex drive and a 32 in. waist, happy with everything else......Never took test or anything but protein powder in my life, bench around 350lbs... Mostly do Dorian's Yates work-out philosphy, low reps, failure type training...... Will keep informed of progress, exicited to see what comes of this 6 month therapy..... :startrek:
Arnold..... And yes, its my real name!

So I see this your taking a long Est for 20 wks . It will take 4 to 6 wks for it to kick in . By the 9 wk it will have really kicked in or pecked . So by then you will be on 350 mg per wk . HCG really isn't needed till your 15 th wk I would say . Your taking anti - E already which is good , never heard of what your taking .

As far as your protein goes you should be taking 2 scoops of protein every 2 hrs . Reason you do manual labour , work out & gear now . Your age makes a big difference also . Are you taking any Glutamaxx or dextrose ? That is after your work out ?? You can get dextrose in a big pail at your local grocery store its also called corn sugar .

One other thing did you consider taking prop for the first 6 wks . While the cyp was kicking in ?

PCT not really needed why because of your comment low sex drive , energy levels , moodiness . When you finish your cycle you should stay on a long est test but in a very small amount . No more than 200 mg a wk that way you will not go back to the way you where . You really should consider taking HGH for a man your age its the fountain of youth .

I'm 48 yrs this Oct /05 have been on test for 2 yrs . Best Friend has been on for 4 yrs worked out for the past 20 yrs . He looks & feels great since he was on test . Has done 1 cycle of HGH has had unreal results . The lucky thing for us is gear works better as we get older .

Good luck on this 1st cycle keep me up to date .
 
chech with the other guys...but i dont think u need an anti e unless problems start...just have some nolva on hand,it works fast and well.
 
oh yes also...if u really want to avoid any problems,watch your diet very cafefully. i go zero salt,very low fat ,good carbs and mega protein...i have found fat and sodium can really bring out some problems on long juice cycles.
 
sxt said:
So I see this your taking a long Est for 20 wks . It will take 4 to 6 wks for it to kick in . By the 9 wk it will have really kicked in or pecked . So by then you will be on 350 mg per wk . HCG really isn't needed till your 15 th wk I would say . Your taking anti - E already which is good , never heard of what your taking .

***What the program calls for: 250ml. test cypionate for 10 weeks, then HCG 2 weeks after the last dose of test......... Then HCG every other day for 5 doses, then wait 4 days and Repeat the whole cycle.........

As far as your protein goes you should be taking 2 scoops of protein every 2 hrs . Reason you do manual labour , work out & gear now . Your age makes a big difference also . Are you taking any Glutamaxx or dextrose ? That is after your work out ?? You can get dextrose in a big pail at your local grocery store its also called corn sugar .

***I am using a protein powder, and thats about it, taking a multi-vitamin, and eating very healthy.... I have always been an easy gainer, my strength jumps very quickly and stays for very long periods of time--EX: i bench for 3 months at the end i bench 350lbs for 8 reps--then i work 12 hour 7 day weeks for 6 months, then i start to work out again--Stilll bench 350lbs. for 4 reps..... My problem is if i eat to much it gets stored as fat, so i always have to eat very lean..... As i get older i see it even more......

One other thing did you consider taking prop for the first 6 wks . While the cyp was kicking in ?

****Unfortuantely I have no connections and would be too afraid to take anything except what a doctor prescribes me....

PCT not really needed why because of your comment low sex drive , energy levels , moodiness . When you finish your cycle you should stay on a long est test but in a very small amount . No more than 200 mg a wk that way you will not go back to the way you where . You really should consider taking HGH for a man your age its the fountain of youth .

***I figured i would take the test program and if that works take test and GH, in another program, the hardship is getting my wife to let me spend the money, but as long as the test works, i should have no problem....

I'm 48 yrs this Oct /05 have been on test for 2 yrs . Best Friend has been on for 4 yrs worked out for the past 20 yrs . He looks & feels great since he was on test . Has done 1 cycle of HGH has had unreal results . The lucky thing for us is gear works better as we get older .

*****I am not sure if its my head or what but about 4 hours after the first injection, i felt more alert, my back pain went away, my energy level seemed to rise and i just felt all around better, it could be the fact that the "injection" was not painful at all, nor do i feel sore at all today, I made sure she slowly installed the needle, very slowly aspirated, then very slowly pushed the test in, the 1.5 cc, took about 8 seconds to totally be gone, then she put a alcohol band-aid on for a couple hours after she wiped the alcohol pad on 3 times. Not sure but its day two and i feel like a new man already, juice or no juice i feel great, i was told it takes 24-48 hours to be absorbed into blood stream 100% ? IS that true? It was an oil based test cyp....
As far as the "Teslac" goes this is what they told me...
Blocks negative feedback caused by estrogen, has the ability to increase production of FSH and LH stimulating the leydigs cells in the testes to produce more of your own natural test. Also helps to harden and define muscles as well as help restore a balance in hormone levels....

Good luck on this 1st cycle keep me up to date .

Thanks alot guys, really appreciate the info and opinions!!!! Will keep you updated. Arnold
 
tres said:
oh yes also...if u really want to avoid any problems,watch your diet very cafefully. i go zero salt,very low fat ,good carbs and mega protein...i have found fat and sodium can really bring out some problems on long juice cycles.

Thanks Bro, i am on a low sodium, low fat, high protein diet..... I am just amazed at how i feel already, anyone else feel so great after such a short period of time, or is it all in my head??
 
placebo, definitely in your head. you'll know it kicks in about 5 weeks when your pecker makes it a frequent habit to stand at attention
 
wow you stop working out for 6 months ?? Am I reading this right ?? Yea so you can do 350 Ibs . Not making fun of you , you just don't go over it . You are not progressing . In order to get stronger / bigger you need to feed your body hence the 2 scoops every 2 hrs . But you know your pocket book better than I do . When I'm on a cycle its a 1Ib of protein ED . I have heard of great results with 250 mg cyp before , its your first you should . It works out to the diet that is the big one . You can add as many different types of juice you want . Your diet does the most for you . I know a guy that has only been on test . Till the last few wks he is going to be in a show . He is 43 yrs and he is looking great since 2 yrs ago he was 330 Ibs . Good luck with the wife . Oh and there is now way it has kicked in already guy sorry . I don't care what you have been told or feel . MPPM couldn't of said it better its a fact .
 
I could be wrong but 6 month's is kinda long bro. Im workin my way up. First 10, then 12 then 14. I think a good 14 or 16 weeker at 500mg's a week might suit you better, just my 2 cents. I mean shit you run this 6 monther what's next a yr. long cycle. Then what never coming off. Trust me, Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is like any other substance try it once and you will want it again. Good luck.

Also if it were me i would say **** it to the anti e till 2 weeks after last inject. Extra water in the joints=extra strength=extra muscle.
 
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bulldog743: You didn't happen to get bloodwork done prior to that first injection, did you?

Do you want to do proper HRT or an Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) cycle? Let us know and we'll give you some good advice. If you plan to injection 250mg of testosterone/week for six months, then you need to cancel those plans. A first cycle should not be longer than 12 weeks and it needs to be followed up by proper post cycle therapy (pct).

That's great that you did lots of research, but you apparently missed a few very important pieces of information. Wish you had asked us for advice prior to getting started.

btw: serum testosterone peaks only 48-72 hours after your testosterone injection, and I disagree with sxt that it is simply the placebo effect in that you feel better. Muscle gains don't come this quickly, but other benefits do.

sxt: While some of the stuff you mentioned is true, you are also giving some very lousy advice. In particular, telling him to skip post cycle therapy (pct) and stay on a low dose of testosterone. If he needs Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), then fine: he needs to see a competant physician, get proper bloodwork, get a prescription, etc. But to recommend that based on the little amount of information that has been provided is just wrong.
 
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sxt said:
wow you stop working out for 6 months ??

**Unfortunately, yes, my job which demands alot of my time, can have me working 7-12 hour days with driving 4 hours to and from work--2 hours each way...

Am I reading this right ?? Yea so you can do 350 Ibs . Not making fun of you , you just don't go over it .

***Yeah, i was just explaining, what type of "gainer" i am.... I do go over the 350, for the one rep training sessions.......

You are not progressing . In order to get stronger / bigger you need to feed your body hence the 2 scoops every 2 hrs . But you know your pocket book better than I do .

***I can afford the high protein diet, and the test and eventually the GH, just wanted to make sure the test, would help me with the sex drive and energy levels....

When I'm on a cycle its a 1Ib of protein ED . I have heard of great results with 250 mg cyp before , its your first you should . It works out to the diet that is the big one . You can add as many different types of juice you want . Your diet does the most for you . I know a guy that has only been on test . Till the last few wks he is going to be in a show . He is 43 yrs and he is looking great since 2 yrs ago he was 330 Ibs . Good luck with the wife .

**Thanks...

Oh and there is now way it has kicked in already guy sorry . I don't care what you have been told or feel . MPPM couldn't of said it better its a fact .

***I figured it was the excitement of getting the shot and not (dying) from doing it wrong! But i do feel much better than i have in a long time, woke up at 3:30am, and just got home around 7:00pm. and still not really tired and it was a 5 hour drive with a 11 hour workday....

Thanks, Arnold
 
3rd. week--- into first cycle ever..... Very weird, first i am deathy scared of the injection, now i think about it all week and cant wait to do it. Feels like i have a pump, just about all the time, then again i am working 7am --11 pm, 4 days a week, my energy levels are great...... My workouts, are on fri-Sat-Sun, running test cyp 350mgs, a week..... Seem to be lifting alot of weight with greater ease, so far no side effects, just good things, better mood, more energy, better concentration, higher libido, higher endurance at work..... So far so good, still contemplating after the HRT therapy, on moving on to "stacking" and continue doing cycles, but not sure yet, i will decide in 20 weeks, whether i need to or not..... I feel like writing the local newspaper and giving my opinion on the lack of info about test, and tell them how it has helped my life, but then again, you cant change the way people think, so why bother? Being a good example is enough for me, my family thought i would be a raging bull, on the stuff, and are so surprised to see me in better moods, not worse! Just an update guys, the diet seems to be alot easier to stay on..... Life is good!
Arnold
 
mranak said:
bulldog743: You didn't happen to get bloodwork done prior to that first injection, did you?

***Yes, i did get a nurse to come to the house and do bloodwork, my test levels were at the very low range of "normal" if there is such a thing...

Do you want to do proper HRT or an Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) cycle? Let us know and we'll give you some good advice. If you plan to injection 250mg of testosterone/week for six months, then you need to cancel those plans.

****Sorry guys, my fault----
Test Cyp---10 weeks, 350mgs wk...
HCG 2 wks after last shot--for 5 doses.......
Wait 4 days....
test Cyp for 10 wks....
Wait 2 wks.....
HCG for 5 doses..... Done Equals about 24wks....


A first cycle should not be longer than 12 weeks and it needs to be followed up by proper PCT.

***Teslac 50mgs. every other day starting 3rd. wk...
Hcg for PCT...


That's great that you did lots of research, but you apparently missed a few very important pieces of information. Wish you had asked us for advice prior to getting started.

****Actually i didn't find this site until afterwards..... My goal to start----Smaller waist, increased energy, increase of libido..... Not bragging but natually my strength is very high and always has been, just tired all the time....

btw: serum testosterone peaks only 48-72 hours after your testosterone injection, and I disagree with sxt that it is simply the placebo effect in that you feel better. Muscle gains don't come this quickly, but other benefits do.

*****Something is happening, with the better moods, the increased energy, and even the increased libido and its only wk 3, next shot 2-nite.... Even the wife doesn't mind that i am on the juice..... She gives the shots....

sxt: While some of the stuff you mentioned is true, you are also giving some very lousy advice. In particular, telling him to skip post cycle therapy (pct) and stay on a low dose of testosterone. If he needs Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), then fine: he needs to see a competant physician, get proper bloodwork, get a prescription, etc. But to recommend that based on the little amount of information that has been provided is just wrong.

****Yes, the bloodwork was done and the prescription was given..... I do feel like i am 18 again, i do plan on either a "real" cycle later on, or the Test/HGH therapy, which would boost the 6mo. program from $1200--$2000..... but i am very glad i did research, and i am glad i found this site, the Spotinjection site, helped alot, i did PM, a MOD about how to shoot correctly, but they never got back to me...... :baby: I love the boards and love the advice, thanks guys.....
Arnold
 
bulldog bro -

from what i read, it appears that your main motivation for taking test, etc, was to remedy low sex drive and energy levels. you said so yourself that you can naturally make relatively easy gains in size and strength; and if there was any issue that you yourself noted about your body, it was your gut or large waist (about 6 inches too big!). sorry, am just trying to point out the obvious, because it now seems odd (and maybe unjustified) that you want to start messing with stronger anabolics, stacks, etc. why when you're spending your entire day at work? why when you're only going to the gym 3 days (in a row) per week? best of luck.
 
diegothailand said:
bulldog bro -

from what i read, it appears that your main motivation for taking test, etc, was to remedy low sex drive and energy levels.

***Yes, but i did always want to try AS, and see what my "best" really would be....

you said so yourself that you can naturally make relatively easy gains in size and strength; and if there was any issue that you yourself noted about your body, it was your gut or large waist (about 6 inches too big!).

***being a large frame, my waist should be 32in. cant get much better, when i got out of the Army, in the best shape of my life my waist was 32in. at 160lbs, my doc said i have a over-developed pelvis, since then i have maintained about 185-195lbs, at a 33in. waist, until i hit 33yrs. old, started to gain fat and lose energy and motivation and libido......

sorry, am just trying to point out the obvious, because it now seems odd (and maybe unjustified) that you want to start messing with stronger anabolics, stacks, etc.

***Dont get me wrong, a stronger stack would not be too much stronger.... I am a easy gainer and always have been on a healthy diet......

why when you're spending your entire day at work? why when you're only going to the gym 3 days (in a row) per week?

***yeah, its tough, working, then only getting 3 days to work out, but my job is usually seasonal, being a union electrician, i can be laid-off for 6 months at a shot sometimes, especially after that a*&hole Bush took office, work is feast or famine for me, my new stack would be on a long lay-off period, where i could train the right way all week long, and rest the rest of the time! :rockband:

best of luck.

**Thank you, and i apologise for not giving the whole scoop, on my intentions......My goals are the smaller waist increased energy and more libido, but a distant goal of being huge and ripped is something i have wanted to "try" but work has always stopped me from getting into my best shape, i feel that being juiced and having the "time" i could see what my best result could be.....Ex: After the project i am on, is completed, i will be back at the hall, signing the book probably #201 on the list, which means 200 men have to be put to work before i can be employed again.... We call it Bush lay-offs, they are more frequent and longer than they have been in my 18 years as an electrician....... Again, thanks for the insight and advice, i appreciate it!
Arnold
 
that a-hole bush got elected because we bought into his fucking 'perfect cabinet'. his fucking perfect cabinet turned out to be a bunch of self-centered-egotist-tycoons. but don't talk politics on this board - you won't win. i help create some of the governmental mess that we're currently in, and as such i see it from behind the scenes first hands. it is a mess. we're all just holding our breaths and waiting until 2009 for - hopefully - everything to go back to normal. anyway, best of luck bro - cuz it's only gonna get worse for the next few years. SAVE now.

32" waist isn't large...i'm 32-33" and i'm fairly average. good luck with your program, work, etc.
 
diegothailand said:
that a-hole bush got elected because we bought into his fucking 'perfect cabinet'.

***Well 51% bought into it, the rest knew better....

his fucking perfect cabinet turned out to be a bunch of self-centered-egotist-tycoons.

***Are they not always?

but don't talk politics on this board - you won't win.

***No we all lost when he was elected, facts hurt sometimes, from him hiding in the Guard during Nam, to his drinking JD until he was 43, spoiled Brat comes to mind? He couldn't even keep a oil company in business in Texas... While he was Governor, in Texas, their pollution increased so much that they beat california for Smog.....

i help create some of the governmental mess that we're currently in, and as such i see it from behind the scenes first hands. it is a mess.

***Can any look any worse than it does from the outside?

we're all just holding our breaths and waiting until 2009 for - hopefully - everything to go back to normal.

***I have a revulotionary idea, FIRE Congress, fire all Senators, and put in the Middle Class, worker, then you will see how our forefathers planned to run this country...

anyway, best of luck bro - cuz it's only gonna get worse for the next few years. SAVE now.

***Oh, i do believe me!

32" waist isn't large...i'm 32-33" and i'm fairly average. good luck with your program, work, etc.

**Thanks man! Appreciate it...
 
so kerry would of been better? whatever. how did bush affect your mob-mentality union job? bush sucks, but kerry would of been a fucking disaster. if you don't believe that you're not well versed about politics, you just believe what people tell you without doing your own research, and thinking for yourself.
 
blueshadow said:
so kerry would of been better? whatever. how did bush affect your mob-mentality union job? bush sucks, but kerry would of been a fucking disaster. if you don't believe that you're not well versed about politics, you just believe what people tell you without doing your own research, and thinking for yourself.

Kerry would have been better, as would of my dog!!!!!!
Was i a big fan of kerry? NOPE... What has Bush done about NAFTA---Nothing, WHY--His dad started it and signed the first half and Clinton signed the next half...!!!!!!!!!! Now its CAFTA---Same as NAFTA--More jobs down the drain..... Did my OWN research---Want to debate Bush, i researched him for over 6 months..... Like Bush? Then you dont know DICK...... Think for myself? I sure do!!!!!! Mob mentality? No, thats Bush's admin...... We can debate Bush's failures anytime, i am well versed in them! And yes, i did the research, unlike the 51% of American dumbasses that voted for the National Guard Drop-out, the "C" Yale grad and the alcoholic spoiled rich boy in office.....
Arnold
 
trust me. i don't listen to what other people say, you freaking tard. kerry would have done better due to one factor and one factor alone: THERE AREN'T WMD IN IRAQ! or is it ok that the administration pushed the IC (intel community) to create evidence supporting the war? is it ok that now we look like a bunch of war mongering tycoons? (live overseas, you'll see that all us Americans are embarrassed to show our US passport now..) is it ok that 2000 soldiers are dead, and tens of thousands horribly wounded? what became of the other issues? i remember a guy named UBL, Zawahiri and Mullah Omar who may have had something to do with the worst terroristist attack in our country's history. have they been dealt with? why did we shift focus?

what about north korea? prior to bush, there was legitimate dialogue between ours and their top officials. agreements were in place to begin monitoring and to provide energy producing reactors. but congress pulled the plug on this, the koreans became rightfully upset, and bush took office calling them the axis of evil. what for? "it's either my way or no way, cuz i'm a dog darn texan!" idioto.

smartest guy on bush's cabinet, and likely the guy that got him enough votes to win, was general powel. this dude found out RIGHT away that the rest of the cabinet was way off...he was constantly at war with rice, cheyney, and rummy. wonder why. he never worked for big business? he was a true diplomat? case in point on the latter, bush was settled on going into iraq alone. he met with his cabinet to discuss this and powel convinced him of the long term necessity of not only having a coalition of supportive nations, but to also have and stick to a strict policy objective (called the powel doctrine). bush accepted this and built a small/fragile coalition. very fragile (i.e., countries like the philippines and spain). but bush did NOT settle on a long term objective. at first it was simply to rid iraq of saddam and the WMD. now it is terrorism? wtf?

mark my word, the jihadists who are learning to kill with amazing precision in iraq will one day migrate outside iraq. where will they go to fight? after afghan, similar jihadists went to africa, south asia, eastern and western europe, and even america. the iraqi jihadists WILL be in america one day. there are too many of them, and they're too well trained and supplied.

or maybe i'm wrong and everything is just perfect? the economy (including deficit, foreign trade, unemployment), fuel prices, and our relations with foreign nations are at an all time high, right? we've got iran, nkor, afghan, uzbekistan, germany, france, and a shitload of others all on our side, all working hard together. "who the fuck needs them, this is texas! it's either my way, or no way!" sorry, the rest of the world out numbers you, jackass. live outside the states and you'll realize.
 
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