1st Cycle Critique + Some Concerns

[Psychotron]

Week 1-10: Test Enth - 500 mg/week
Week 1-15: Nolva - 20 mg/day

PCT - Clomid
Day 1: 300 mg
Day 2-11: 100 mg [ED]
Day 12-21: 50 mg [ED]

I have done my due diligence and have read a lot of literature on the internet before doing anything else. With that said, I do have a few concerns.

1) As far as the dosing protocol goes, would injecting twice a week on Monday & Thursday at 250mg be best?

2) More than anything else, the thought of hair-loss terrifies me. I have not seen any indications of hair-loss yet but I know it's only a matter of time. MPB runs in the family, most men on both sides of my family are either bald or thinning. Would it be worth it to use topical products? I've done some research and these two supposedly work well, but it's so unpredictable.

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3) Should I still run liver protection such as NAC and Milk Thistle even though I decided against using orals in the first cycle?

Thanks.

 

[DADAWG]

welcome to OLOGY . a topical hair loss shampoo / cream might make a difference. you cycle is fine but start clomid 2 weeks after last injections and run 50 mg a day for 3-4 weeks.

 

[HUGE.HULK]

Taking Nolva during cycle will decrease your muscle gains.
Forget about hairloss...if you're prone to baldness, you'll be bald. Better bald with muscle than hair and belly.
Liver protection is unnecessary while on Test E.

 

[Teutonic]

welcome.

 

[Psychotron]

Thanks for the quick responses, much appreciated. I'll use the topicals just to sleep easier at night and just hope for the best. As far as the nolva goes, I know it will hinder gains a bit but I want to mitigate the sides as much as possible. It's a trade-off I'm willing to live with. With the PCT, you're saying to run 50mg/day for 3-4 weeks instead of the 9 days listed above or forget that protocol all together and just run 50mg/day for 3-4 weeks? Thanks.

 

[DADAWG]

Thanks for the quick responses, much appreciated. I'll use the topicals just to sleep easier at night and just hope for the best. As far as the nolva goes, I know it will hinder gains a bit but I want to mitigate the sides as much as possible. It's a trade-off I'm willing to live with. With the PCT, you're saying to run 50mg/day for 3-4 weeks instead of the 9 days listed above or forget that protocol all together and just run 50mg/day for 3-4 weeks? Thanks.

JUST run clomid at 50 mg a day for 3-4 weeks.

 

[buffg]

Why not run a normal Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle like aromisin and save the nolva for PCT?

 

[Psychotron]

Thanks for all the help, much appreciated. Sorry for asking questions that may seem obvious but I want to make sure I got all my ducks in a row before I jump into this. As for the nolva, I'm gonna run it start to finish just to be safe.

 

[Hrnyfckr]

Dude, a little more reseach is required here... Arimidex (anastrozole) is much more effective and less supressive during your cycle. I think you shoul check it out. You don't want to obliterate all your estrogen. T and E are yin and yang. You need some of both at all times. RESEARCH!!!!!

 

[Psychotron]

Thanks man. This is why i'm here, can never get enough info. So I should run Adex @ .25mg eod for 10 weeks along with the test enth? If any gyno symptoms start to show then I could add in the nolva @ 20mg/day until they're gone, correct?

Here's the updated cycle info.

Week 1-10: Test Enth - 500 mg/week
Week 1-10: Adex - .25mg EOD

PCT
Clomid: 50mg/day
Nolva: 20mg/day

 

[TryinToGetStrong]

I would run the test 12-16 weeks, and as far as the adex goes everyone is different. Some people use none, you'll have to see how your body reacts to the test.

 

[Psychotron]

Thanks for the response. I'll def. bump the cycle to 12 weeks, I would like to go 16 but that might be a little bit too pricey. I will also run adex alongside it and have the nolva on hand just in case.

 

[bassem fox]

hii
guys i have been doing some research for my next cycle and thats what am planing to do give me your thoughts



week 1 - 10 test /500 mg a week <2 shoots >
week 1- 10 deca/ 400 mg a week < 2 shoots>
week 1- 16 primo / 300 mg a week < 3 shoots>
week 12- 16 anavar 50 mg a day
week 1-16 nolvadex 10 mg a day

 

[Psychotron]

I think I've got everything buttoned up but there is one last thing that i'm considering adding. Just because of how paranoid about hair loss, I was thinking of adding proscar to the cycle. It doesn't look like it will be cheap though. Would I need to take 2.5mg a day for it to be effective? BTW, this would be 100% preventive because I haven't had any noticeable hair loss yet.

Here's the finalized version of the cycle:

Week 1-16: Test Enth @ 500mg/week
Week 1-16: Adex @ .5mg EOD

PCT [starts 2 weeks after last shot] [lasts 4 weeks]
Clomid @ 50mg/day
Nolva @ 20mg/day

 

[Psychotron]

I did some reading and it looks like the difference between 2.5mg and 5mg is negligible so it's not even worth it to use the full 5mg pill/day. But, what if I split it in four and only took 1.25 mg per day? It would cut the cost in half. Thanks.

EDIT: It looks like most people only go with 1.25mg/day, especially with a basic beginners cycle like this. Still would be interested to see what you guys think though. I def. think that this is my best option to prevent hair loss.