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20 years old - first cycle
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slair
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look my man, its only advice, you can do whatever the hell you want. The simple fact is, most people under 25 have not put the time into the gym, diet and overall lifestyle to warrant using gear. Why should they potentially mess with their hormone levels for life, to make gains they may otherwise could have gotten naturally. And of course, alot of kids that age do this shit for the wrong reasons....they wanna look big at the clubs, and get girls etc etc...bullshit! This is a serious game with physical as well as financial consequences (not to mention you are breaking the law) if you don't have the maturity and knowledge of what the hell you're doing.
Now, that all being said, if you've weighed all the consequences, understand them and accept them then that is a good start. Not only that, but you should have done serious research to the point where you almost need not ask questions about cycles, drugs etc on this forumn. You should have a solid base, serious time in the gym (3-4 years natural imo), and a general well rounded knowledge of diet and training. Lastly you should have all the standard blood tests done, as well as full male hormonal panel to see your baselines........Now, how many guys under 25 that come into this forum do you think we see that has all this shit checked off??
look my man, its only advice, you can do whatever the hell you want. The simple fact is, most people under 25 have not put the time into the gym, diet and overall lifestyle to warrant using gear. Why should they potentially mess with their hormone levels for life, to make gains they may otherwise could have gotten naturally. And of course, alot of kids that age do this shit for the wrong reasons....they wanna look big at the clubs, and get girls etc etc...bullshit! This is a serious game with physical as well as financial consequences (not to mention you are breaking the law) if you don't have the maturity and knowledge of what the hell you're doing.
Now, that all being said, if you've weighed all the consequences, understand them and accept them then that is a good start. Not only that, but you should have done serious research to the point where you almost need not ask questions about cycles, drugs etc on this forumn. You should have a solid base, serious time in the gym (3-4 years natural imo), and a general well rounded knowledge of diet and training. Lastly you should have all the standard blood tests done, as well as full male hormonal panel to see your baselines........Now, how many guys under 25 that come into this forum do you think we see that has all this shit checked off??
slair
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yes their fault!
You mad Bro
I am banned!
Fair point, I guess I lift for the wrong reasons then, I lift for girls lol, I love having my ego stroked. Infact the whole reason why I begun lifting was girls that pissing me off, What you said about people not putting time into the gym/diet/lifestyle, I understand that, so many people choose to drink all the time and not care about diet, I'm fully into this however, I haven't had 1 drink in 7 months.
I see the logic behind waiting until you're 24 for someone who wants to get as big as possible and not wearing out their recepters, but not everyone wants to be Mr.Olympia. I honestly don't think I'll continue to cycle multiple things once I reach 190-200 7-10%bf , I want to look good while I'm still young that is generaly why I chose to cycle from this age.
You probally think I shouldn't be touching gear, but I have my reasons and I'm happy doing what I do which is all that matters.
luvtofight
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Most of u guys probably abuse it when you where young and had no education on it, Arnold took them when he was 19 and look at him he's having babies.
luvtofight
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Haha bullshit! So let's say a natural 20 year old has the same dedication as a ifbb pro. Will he grow as much and fast as a 30 year old who is on a test only cycle? Nope! U guys need to Post pics up cuz if look like shit did u have no room to talk
TheFitnessLife4ever
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Listen man. I highly suggest you don't do it. You are an average guy and are fortunate enough to have healthy natural hormone levels, so put them to good use. I had low test in my teen years and didn't have the luxury of building the same size and strength as the other guys like you with healthy levels. I was able to transform by body even though I had low test levels(300s) and managed to overcome most my plateaus through diet and training. I just want for you not to take it for granted that you have the ability to put on muscle and strength better then some less fortunate guys such as myself. Whatever your decision, it'll have consequences in the future. Good luck
zephyr_987
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my first cycle was @ 23 and i think even that was too young. im 25 now and am gonna wait another yr cuz my natural test levels arent half bad considering my situation. stick around here, learn as much as possible, eat alot of quality food & train your ass off til u r 25 or so.
Rosco FleX
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You shouldnt disregard the risks just because of Arnolds' results...everyone is different. The people that are speaking out against the use of it at a young age are the people that were in this exact same boat at one point or another(At least in my case). You are taking a risk of having to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for the rest of your life and stunting your growth....no if's, and's or but's about it.
slair
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not only that, but you don't know arnold or his personal life......if you really think arnie has suffered no consequences for his heavy abuse of aas, then you're on somethin.
not only that, but you don't know arnold or his personal life......if you really think arnie has suffered no consequences for his heavy abuse of aas, then you're on somethin.
luvtofight
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Yeah I guess being a Hollywood star, being governor and banging ur maid is a big consequence oh my poor guy.....
luvtofight
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Ha nobody can answer my question about the 20 year old nd 30 year old
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TylerDurdn
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Had to read it two or three times, and still don't understand the last sentence...
It's not so much that you should'nt do it, plenty of people do myself included. But there are high risks involved and what everyone here is saying, those against a 20 year old starting AAS atleast, is that if you have healthy levels of test at a young age why not use it to the fullest...Use that time to figure out exactly how your body reacts to different diets and training routines so that when you do start AAS you can reap all the benefits from it...
Now on to your hypothetical question, it depends a lot on genetics whether a 30 year old on a test only cycle will see better gains than a 20 year training his arse off and I doubt we will see any scientific data in the near future to prove either way. That is a lot of variables...However I would put my money on the 20 year old. Mainly because if he has the same dedication as a ifbb pro then that means he knows how to diet and train properly where as the 30 year old who is on a test only cycle could be running 1g of test a week, eating corny dogs on the couch sweating a shit ton because he is watching cops and thinks that is his cardio for the day.
danieldennett
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A lot of moral preechings and prejudice here! I have done quite som reading, and it seems like besides saying "YOU'RE TOO YOUNG!" without saying why, the reason that stands out is that they lower my natural test levels, and they might not return. I have only read one scientific paper on this, which concluded that all the test-subjects' natural test was fully returned to normal after 1 year.
Does any of you have experience or scientific-based facts on why I should not use, and why it differs from using when I'm 25 years... ?
(appreciate the answers though)
Does any of you have experience or scientific-based facts on why I should not use, and why it differs from using when I'm 25 years... ?
(appreciate the answers though)
livebigdieyoung
GEAR JUNKIE!
their not saying that it defo will lower your natty test, most people are trying to tell you that you have plenty of test already in your system to make really good gains naturally!
i understand your want to do it young. i personally started younger than most.
if your hell bent on doing it, make sure you research research and do some more research!
i understand your want to do it young. i personally started younger than most.
if your hell bent on doing it, make sure you research research and do some more research!
yeah because using AAS at 20 years old will pave the way for you to be a hollywood star, let alone a governer and getting to bang your hot maid. well maybe the maid part, if she doesn't speak good english and you pay well. what do you do for a living luvtofight? let me guess, you fight in the UFC and make the big bucks all because of your tren only cycle at 18 years old you got from a buddy who knew the ropes? get outta here
danieldennett
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I have read more about steroidinduced hypogonadism, and it seems like as long one uses Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or Clomid during post cycle therapy (pct), your levels would return to normal. But as primo seems to be pretty mild on all sort of sides, would 500-600mg/week of primo be able to cause some gains? With primo aromase-inhibitors and esterogen-blockers aren't even necessary.
TheFitnessLife4ever
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Why did you even make this thread if you are going to disregard all the vets and users advice? Since your mr know it all, go ahead and run primo. Once your done tell me how much it was worth wasting money on the most faked and expensive compound out there.
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