250 mg/wk test e and drug testing

[China_Wall]

It seems pretty unlikely that epitest and going off 3 months before is the only option. 250mg/wk is a pretty low dose and only puts me in the high end or just outside of this compared to test levels of healthy individuals. I spoke to a guy I know that has a phd in a related area and he thinks a person would be able to do about 200mg/wk without being detected at all while some individuals can do as much as 500mg/wk without failong tests because of an inhibited gene, and this anomaly isn't very uncommon at all.

I appreciate that people want to weigh in, but unless you have som real info, you're just confusing me and everybody else who has interest in this topic.

now u are just being ridiculous saying somebody can go on 500mg's of test per week and not fail a competitive drug test hahaha... even at 250mg's there is not a hope of passing while "on". U need to understand that the amount of test in your system doesn't matter, whether u running 250mg or 1000mg, it will clear your system at the SAME time, so ur gonna have to go off 3 months or more before your test to be safe bro... don't risk it if u are a serious athlete

 

[UserAt204]

China I think you are looking at two different comparisons. One being detection times and another using a simple urine test to detect the metabolite ratio. Basically all they are testing the ratio of test/epitest.

 

[Dr. Steal]

If it is a urine test teh cream is the only way (that I know of) to get your ratio in line and as said above a little bit of trial and error is all that takes. You could always use a clean urine sample, that is if they dont stand there and watch you piss.

I am the James Bond of passing piss tests and there are many ways to get "clean" urine into the cup, prosthesis, clean pee in a container with a heat source on it, or the dreaded "oil change" (which may or may not work btw) . It really depends on how strict they are on watching the urine go in the cup..

 

[ErectusMaximus]

OIL CHANGE?! As in injecting clean urine into your empty bladder and pissing it back out? No thank you.

Steal is right about clean urine. It's a safer bet than any other way. Look up a Wizinator. Look like a cock but you can use it as a heater/ dispenser for the clean urine.

 

[Dr. Steal]

OIL CHANGE?! As in injecting clean urine into your empty bladder and pissing it back out? No thank you.

Steal is right about clean urine. It's a safer bet than any other way. Look up a Wizinator. Look like a cock but you can use it as a heater/ dispenser for the clean urine.

Exactly!

I have actually seen this done .....But I would really really not recommend it!

1 it wont always work
2 it hurts like hell
3 bladder infection

 

[Donkey Kong Jr]

Nobody has any info on a "safe" dosage?

 

[Dr. Steal]

Man there is no "safe dosage" unless you do trial and error tests to see how much test you can put in your body and stay within the 4:1 T/E range.


Think of it like this its like asking how much food can a person eat without getting fat. EVERYBODY is different and metabolizes differently . It all depends, is what I am getting at. 250 mg per wk will make my ratio all kinds of jacked up. For a guy who has been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for a long time it might not.

So to answer your question there is no solid answer You have like 3 choices teh cream, switch your gear up to accommodate drug tests (ie no oil based or long ester stuff), or put clean urine in the cup.

There may be somthing out there that I do not know about but being it is a ratio urine test I cant think of anything to help ya with. There has to be some way to do it Brock Lesner, Allistar Overeem, and many others pass regular urine tests sooo....

Good luck and if you don't mind me asking what kind of sport is it MMA??

 

[cashout]

Nobody has any info on a "safe" dosage?

You are missing the point here.

The 4:1 ratio for test/Epitest was established to reflect the NORMAL UPPER BOUND of what is expected in a healthy male.

A "safe" dosage would be anything that mirrors a NORMAL healthy male.

Is it 75mg per week, maybe 100mg?

It doesn't matter because it is approximately what the normal healthy male would produce.

So by using a dosage that approximates the NORMAL health male, you are only replacing your own normal production of test with an exogenous source.

You are taking a risk with no real return. Do you see that?

In effect, you are really not cheating as you stated in your first post.

Get an epitest cream and figure out, through trial and error, what you need to do to use MORE than what the NORMAL healthy male produces and balance the ratio so it is not detected. Then, at least in theory, you would have a performance benefit.

 

[Donkey Kong Jr]

Actually the common ratio is 1:1 so 4:1 is a very good indication, that the person is introducing exogenous testosterone to the system. Some individuals may have higher natural ratios but the average is 1:1. In an example where we say that I have a natural production of say 100mg test/wk and a natural T/E ratio of 1:1, I can use a dose of 200mg/wk and only get a T/E ratio of about 3. It's not quite as simple but pretty close, I have this from a reliable source, not some random juicehead but a guy with a phd in related matters who's been working with this stuff. 200mg/wk doesn't stop natural production of test and wouldn't give you crazy blood levels but would probably put a person in high levels of what you see naturally ocurring, something like 800-1000 ng/dL and would definetly give a person an edge.

The sport is power lifting btw

 

[Donkey Kong Jr]

I'd get my T/E ratio tested if it was an option but I haven't been able to find a lab that does this.