2nd cycle deca dosage question and some other random questions.

I already posted two studies that support my claim, can't you read? How many studies have you referenced? That's what I thought.
You tell people to run 5-600 deca x 12-16 weeks, that's horrible advice for a noob, that will shut u down for almost a year. Like I said google nandrolone and natural test production, as I can't post links on here or my message gets deleted. Took 30 people a year to regain their natural production. That's my EVIDENCE.
It's not the best compound if u cycle.

SO sorry I didn't see your posted studies ??? But as in Bold I have never suggested a noob run Deca like that. It is for advanced cyclers. People who know how their own bodies react to AAS and have run several cycles.

I myself as many many competitive BB's have run more cycles of Deca then all the time you've been around, I would bet.

Now I will be humble and say I am old blind and dumb so I missed your posted studies...with that admission will you please point them out to me..?
MY experience mimic's what is written on several of the various Deca profiles. As also the same with many of the old competitors such as Frank Zane, Lee Haney. This I know having been around the gyms with them.
 
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I don't agree, just cause ur posts are more arrogant doesn't make them more true.
Do more research on nandrolone before you post the above. It takes a year to recover natural testosterone and metabolites are present x 18 months.
Just because it's a good mass builder doesn't make it good for cycling. I know for me and many others Pct is a bitch with nandrolone and even with caber an AI, hcg, it takes several months to restore natural levels. One study showing it took 12 months to get back to their original test levels. Just google it, I'm not going to research for u.
There are many other compounds that work better. I stand by my comment that if u cycle you should avoid nandrolone. Please site studies other than bro science to support otherwise.

So according to your post... your PCT consists of Caber, AI and HCG??? and your telling musclemike that he needs to do more research??
 
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Glad it deca works for you, but only cause you recovered fine doesn't automatically make it good for cycling for most.
I tried to post the studies but my posts get removed.
Google natural testosterone and nandrolone and there are 2 studies of about 30 people each showing the it took over a year for testosterone to recover. I know for me and most it's a very tough Pct and wish someone told me 10 years ago to stick with test and oxandrolone
Don't mean to fight you on this, I would really advice any newbie to stay away, especially most these people are running 200 a week which won't do shit only shut them down for a long time.
Another study showed 100 mg deca shut down natural test production for one whole month!

Also, not to be an ass.. BUT you just said you referenced two different studies. Well I re read your posts, this is the only mention of your two "studies"

this is not referencing anything, I could easily type up some fictional number and say its a study, doesn't make it true. why don't you go ahead and post a link to the study, and please... don't post a "study" from somewhere like Wikipedia....
 
Hey Theworm where are your studies...I am gonna be an ass. Post the studies or back off. Don't hurt the newbies with your problems and false info. Get straight with your back up proof or get gone....

I am tired of you arrogant ignorant fvcks who spew nonsense and tell me to come up with a study to disprove your bushtit. Yes now I am pissed you little ***** fvckin worm.
I'm too old , too ill and too experienced to put up with your nonsense.

Stay away from19nors WTF are you talking about...bad info. Learn how to run the compound. Don't let the compound run you
 
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So according to your post... your PCT consists of Caber, AI and HCG??? and your telling musclemike that he needs to do more research??

Where did I say that? I used an AI on cycle , hcg on cycle as well as caber on cycle and I did a proper Pct and it is still hard to recover.

Point is, I made a claim then supported it with evidence. Old man mike says my assertion was stupid yet provided no evidence to prove me wrong. I don't care about your bro science, I stand behind my claims that if you cycle a beginner should stay away from deca. My evidence: the study I referenced about how it takes a year to regain natural test. What's the issue here?

Old muscle mike, I really respect you and I am not trying to get an ass. Really, I wish I stayed away from deca
 
Also, not to be an ass.. BUT you just said you referenced two different studies. Well I re read your posts, this is the only mention of your two "studies"

this is not referencing anything, I could easily type up some fictional number and say its a study, doesn't make it true. why don't you go ahead and post a link to the study, and please... don't post a "study" from somewhere like Wikipedia....
Because I told you why! Every time I post the link my message gets deleted,,, that's why I said google natural testosterone supression after nandrolone. Stop being lazy.
 
Testosterone Recovery After Deca-Durabolin
Testosterone Recovery After Deca-Durabolin

Blog Entry #56

By Admin – **************

When it comes to negative side effects associated with anabolic steroids, some are far worse than others. Deca-Durabolin, perhaps one of the most popular anabolic steroids ever used, and still widely used, is known as mild compared to other commonly used androgens. The parent hormone is Nandrolone and is found in both Deca-Durabolin and NPP (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate) and it doesn’t seem to come across as a harsh hormone to use from years of medical data and reports from steroid users. Acne, hair loss, aggression, increases in blood pressure and drastic changes in lipids, kidney function and liver values are not usually attributed to Deca Durabolin use. But there is one side effect that it exerts significantly, and that’s testosterone suppression or inhibition.

When an athlete or bodybuilder uses anabolic steroids, endogenous testosterone function will decrease from use. Different compounds effect testosterone production to varying degrees, but Nandrolone, or Deca-Durabolin is perhaps the most powerful of all commonly used anabolic steroids with Trenbolone. “Deca dick” is a known side effect or slang term given to erectile dysfunction, which has affected a large degree of steroid users and questions spear on large steroid forums daily. Due to the speed of which Deca can suppress natural testosterone production recovery post cycle can be harder than most steroid cycles not containing Deca-Durabolin.

Today we’re going to look at a study that looked at 21 men who had been taking Nandrolone Decanoate (Dec-Durabolin) and their recovery efforts after coming off of anabolic steroids. The study was conducted in Sweden at the Karolinska Institutet. The researchers found the subjects through an anti-doping hotline setup to help steroid users in Sweden. They state that the participants had “a genuine will to stop using anabolic steroids.”

Deca-Durabolin is Nandrolone with the Deconoate ester attached allowing it to stay active for 21 days; however, its metabolites are present far longer in the body. 19-norandrosterone and 19-noreticholanolone appear to remain active for months after use, this may shed light on why its so hard to recover natural testosterone levels. Deca-Durabolin is also known to last in an athletes blood for over 12-16 months which makes it a very bad choice for athletes or bodybuilders in tested sports.

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The figure above shows the concentration of 19-norandrosterone in the athletes’ urine. A full six months passed and the Nandrolone users were tested again. The Swedish researchers found that 80% of Nandrolone metabolites were still evident. After a full twelve months had passed, the researchers had unfortunately lost track of some of the original subjects. However, four remained and were tested twelve months after stopping Deca. Surprisingly, two of the four tested positive for Nandrolone, meaning they would fail a doping controlled sport.

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Importantly, the Swedes also tested levels of leutinizing hormone (LH) and follicile stimulating hormone (FSH). LH and FSH are responsible for stimulating the testes (leydig cells) to secrete testosterone. In the figure above you’ll see that LH and FSH were still rising over 12 months after Deca-Durabolin cessation, confirming reports its one of the hardest anabolic steroids to recover from.

Limitations are that this study did not state a post cycle therapy (PCT) was used by any of the steroid users. This is where anti-estrogen use helps the body reover from a steroid cycle. We recommend all steroid users conduct a full PCT after using anabolic steroids whilst combining them with an aromatase inhibitor and also human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) to help maintain testicular size and function. HCG is suggested at 250-500ius per week or every 3-4 days. If side effects occur, or testosterone recovery isn’t possible or problematic, seek the guidance of a physician or endocrinologist.

Source:

J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2011 Aug 22.
 
Part 2: Testosterone Recovery After Deca-Durabolin
Part 2: Testosterone Recovery After Deca-Durabolin

Blog Entry #57

By Admin – **************

A couple of days ago we wrote and article about testosterone recovery when bodybuilders have used Deca-Durabolin. What was shown was that Deca-Durabolin metabolites could stay in a steroid users system for up to 12 months and slow down recovery of natural testosterone production. Its pretty common knowledge Deca-Durabolin is one of the harshest compounds when its comines to recovery endogenous testosterone production post use, which was confirmed by one of our most recent articles.

Today we’re going to look at another piece of data on Nandrolone hexylphenylproprionate or more commonly known as Anadur. This is applicable to the widely used Deca-Durabolin as the parent hormone Nandrolone is the same. The hormone is the compound that will impact the body and its testosterone production, so regardless of it having hexylphenylproprionate or decanoate attached, the outcome will be the same.

An older study dated 1984 in Muenster, Germany, looked at five men given Nandrolone hexylphenylproprionate. The five men were given 100mg for three week and 200mg for a further ten weeks, a total of 13 weeks. This isn’t a large dosage but its duration is similar to that of Deca-Durabolin users due to its long ester decanoate.

The men took part in a weight training but it doesn’t state what this was or how often. The average weight of the men was 85kg and after the 13 weeks, they weighed 95kg. Sixteen weeks later the men dropped 3kg they had put on from the Nandrolone use. We now know that Deca-Durabolin will increase the amount of water retention the users holds due to increasing nitrogen retention; therefore this could have been what was mostly lost, not muscle. The study also reports no adverse side effects were reported, including acne, prostate problems or gynecomastia.

Importantly, the men’s testosterone levels were tested and the Nandrolone was seen to inhibit their natural testosterone level, this is shown in the figure below. Leutinizing hormone (LH), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and total testosterone were all found to be dramatically suppressed, which is in accordance with other recent data on Deca. You’ll also see it took around six months for their testosterone to recover from even mild Nandrolone use.

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Unsurprisingly, the men’s testes also atrophied (shrank) from the Nandrolone use. The average volume decreased from 39 to 21 millilitres. This is a common side effects associated with anabolic steroids use, and more so from the use of harsher compounds to the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis (HPTA). This occurs when both LH and FSH are suppressed and intra-testicular testosterone (ITT) is also decreased. To maintain testicular size and function when using anabolic steroids, we suggest using human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) at 250-500ius per week along with an aromatase inhibitor (AI).

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There were also large differences in the men’s fertility recovery. Due to a loss of natural hormones, spermatogenesis will also take a hit and be negatively affected. One man was as fertile as he had been at the start after just eight weeks, but for one man it took thirty weeks for his sperm production to be restored to the pre-experiment level.

All in all, it took the men six months to recover their testosterone production to values similar to those prior to using Nandrolone. If the study had been done on Deca Durabolin, we expect identical results, as the parent hormone is the same.

Similarly to our other article, it doesn’t state if a post cycle therapy (PCT) was used. If a PCT was/is used it will accelerate the restoration of testosterone production post anabolic-androgenic steroid use. HCG use is also imperative during your steroid cycle. This will help avoid low testosterone related symptoms and help you maintain any muscular gains when made during the steroid course.

Source:

Lancet.R 1984 Feb 25;1(8374):R417-20.
 
One man was as fertile as he had been at the start after just eight weeks, but for one man it took thirty weeks for his sperm production to be restored to the pre-experiment level.

AGain, individualistic.
 
I have been reading up on Deca myself and find alot of other people who run Deca regret running it at all.
It's their number one reason..they regret it.
I however use NPP with Substan250mg and NPP at 30mg for 2 weeks in the middle of the cycle.I choose NPP because on the short half life and wouldn't be hard-pressed up against Nor-19's.

When I did this .5cc Substan250 and .5cc NPP for one day I felt the NPP leaving me feel heavy,tiny loss of libido in the middle of sex,feeling like a heavy bulking diet being eaten but not so much,bloated you could say.

Went back to 250mg Test and 30mg NPP,Feel like new,strong,making gains in the gym.

So In other words,Must be better Anabolics then Deca itself.
 
I have been reading up on Deca myself and find alot of other people who run Deca regret running it at all.
It's their number one reason..they regret it.
I however use NPP with Substan250mg and NPP at 30mg for 2 weeks in the middle of the cycle.I choose NPP because on the short half life and wouldn't be hard-pressed up against Nor-19's.

When I did this .5cc Substan250 and .5cc NPP for one day I felt the NPP leaving me feel heavy,tiny loss of libido in the middle of sex,feeling like a heavy bulking diet being eaten but not so much,bloated you could say.

Went back to 250mg Test and 30mg NPP,Feel like new,strong,making gains in the gym.

So In other words,Must be better Anabolics then Deca itself.

30mg of NPP ? What per day ? even per day thats a really low dose

Nandrolone is nandrolone , so don't matter if its deca or npp (same compound just a different ester) it will make you feel and do the exact same thing in the body once its in the blood stream.

Npp is much better then Deca imo, because its a short fast acting ester and gets in and out of system fairly quick. But wither its npp or deca, nandrolone is a good muscle building anabolic
 
Where did I say that? I used an AI on cycle , hcg on cycle as well as caber on cycle and I did a proper Pct and it is still hard to recover.

Point is, I made a claim then supported it with evidence. Old man mike says my assertion was stupid yet provided no evidence to prove me wrong. I don't care about your bro science, I stand behind my claims that if you cycle a beginner should stay away from deca. My evidence: the study I referenced about how it takes a year to regain natural test. What's the issue here?

Old muscle mike, I really respect you and I am not trying to get an ass. Really, I wish I stayed away from deca


"I know for me and many others Pct is a bitch with nandrolone and even with caber an AI, hcg, it takes several months to restore natural levels."

This is where you said that Theworm.

hey if your body doesn't recover well from 19-nor, then guess what.. YOU have the option to not use them. But please, don't go giving ridiculous advice.
 
30mg of NPP ? What per day ? even per day thats a really low dose

That's on top of the bi-weekly shots of the Test250mg so the 30mgNPP is now 280mg together in 1 shot.(1.3cc)..Depending on how it feels then I would skip the NPP and go for 250mg instead.I only use it NPP sparely.I also use the NPP to fill a syringe if I am short.

I was reading only 30mg NPP was needed to increase some muscles synthesis nitrogen and shows results in 3 weeks.
That was just 1 shot of deca at 30mg.
So the NPP has the shorter life and less risk,sides.
So I would Be taking 90mg for the whole month.But it's the Test that Works best.I want to try the 270mg Substanon since I would be bumping a dosage from 500mg to 540mg per week.Test is Best.
 
I found another thing my cycle works in my favor with just 30mg NPP a week.

Many Athletes who use testosterone only cycles fail to maximize their muscle growth due to the imbalances between androgens and anabolics substances,moderate/low anabolics are used exclusively there is a tendency to develop tendon and ligament damage due to reduced collagen synthesis.
 
I have been reading up on Deca myself and find alot of other people who run Deca regret running it at all.
It's their number one reason..they regret it.
I however use NPP with Substan250mg and NPP at 30mg for 2 weeks in the middle of the cycle.I choose NPP because on the short half life and wouldn't be hard-pressed up against Nor-19's.

When I did this .5cc Substan250 and .5cc NPP for one day I felt the NPP leaving me feel heavy,tiny loss of libido in the middle of sex,feeling like a heavy bulking diet being eaten but not so much,bloated you could say.

Went back to 250mg Test and 30mg NPP,Feel like new,strong,making gains in the gym.

So In other words,Must be better Anabolics then Deca itself.

This is like saying "I don't like test e because it's bad for u but test prop is all good". Decca and NPP are the same compound like Roush said...just a different ester.
 
"I know for me and many others Pct is a bitch with nandrolone and even with caber an AI, hcg, it takes several months to restore natural levels."

This is where you said that Theworm.

hey if your body doesn't recover well from 19-nor, then guess what.. YOU have the option to not use them. But please, don't go giving ridiculous advice.

Please explain why this is rediculous advice? I say deca is not suited for those who cycle then I support my claim with research showing it takes a year to recover. Please, how is this rediculous advice? Love to learn something.
 
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