2nd cycle lookin for info and suggestions

[Renagade2287]

hey guys just got done with my first cycle of test-e and dbol about 2 months ago. looking to do another lean mass stack. my bf is at about 8% im 21yrs old, lifting for 5 years strong, 195 lbs. i think thats everything.

here is my gear 6,000mg of test e / 700mg of anadrol 50-liquid, 1500mg of tren acetate.

stack goes test 300mg 1st week, 600mg week 2-10, 300mg 11th week

anadrol 50mg week 3-4, 100mg week 5-10

tren 150mg week 1-10

PCT- tamoxifen 20mg/day
arimidex .5-1mg/day
liver support - Liv 52 with fish oils


this came right out of the new 9th edition anabolics by william llewelln. Just seeing what you experts thought of this.

also i thought the tamoxifen was a little extreme but then again ive only done 1 previous cycle. please give your input!!

 

[psychobilly]

id do it like this if it were me.. first of all tren is harsh and id wait till the 3-5th cycle...so hear is how id do it with what u have..

wk 1-10 test eth-600mg per wk
wk 3-4 drol 50mg/ed
wk 12-15 nolva at 20mg/ed


just my humble opinion

save the adex in case u need it..

i would get some more drols if u can so u can run it wks 1-2 so u can have 4 wks till the test kicks in

 

[StoneColdNTO]

wk 1-10 test eth-600mg per wk
wk 3-4 drol 50mg/ed
wk 12-15 nolva at 20mg/ed

Why can't anyone get post cycle therapy (pct) timing right ?

His Test runs to the end of week 10, he needs to wait 2 week (week 11 & 12) off to wait for enough test to clear before starting post cycle therapy (pct). That put post cycle therapy (pct) starting at week 13.......NOT 12.

 

[psychobilly]

my apologies boss..

 

[Renagade2287]

thanks for the info so far but i kno tren is a lil harsh but ive herd nothing but good things about it. is it still ok to run for my overall 2nd cycle. and also if i do run tha stack all i need is about 500mg of nolva. and save the arimidex for "just in case" situations?

 

[gymlion77]

Not ragging on william llewelln, but stay away from Tren for a while unless you are going to be doing a show soon. I think if you had good results from your FIRST cycle with those compounds why change it so much. I think a similar cycle with the addition of and Anabolic like Deca or EQ would be great!
Something like this would be a killer cycle:
1-4 dbol 40mg
1-16 Test E @ 600mg (no need to pyramid)
1-14 Deca @ 400-500mg
Obviously with a good post cycle therapy (pct) and ALWAYS have ancillary products on hand!

 

[Renagade2287]

Gymlion77 - i think you might have just changed my mind a little. but the thing is i dont want to get too "puffy" for beach season lol. but honestly im like fuck you skinny bitch's on the beach im in it for the long haul. but with the deca should i pyramid it for the first and last week? and arimidex or nolva for post cycle therapy (pct). also anyone know the correct way to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? I still have a very small amount of shrinkage lol (hopefully its just not me having a big head and thinkin i had big nuts!!)

 

[gymlion77]

Gymlion77 - i think you might have just changed my mind a little. but the thing is i dont want to get too "puffy" for beach season lol. but honestly im like fuck you skinny bitch's on the beach im in it for the long haul. but with the deca should i pyramid it for the first and last week? and arimidex or nolva for post cycle therapy (pct). also anyone know the correct way to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? I still have a very small amount of shrinkage lol (hopefully its just not me having a big head and thinkin i had big nuts!!)

Bro, pyramiding is old, and is unnecessary, the only thing that would be of any help would be to front load your test.
As for the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) there is a protocol by a doctor and it is here just look it up its called swales protocol it is a pretty straight forward way to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and keep everything the right size!

Oh I understand a little bit about your "beach body" bs but bro if you are using these compounds then they are for GROWTH for the long haul. If you want a little scrawny beach body then use some girlie stuff like anavar or oral pimo. Believe me a little water weight is not going to turn any hotties away if you have the shoulders legs and bi's to go with it!

 

[Renagade2287]

Bro, pyramiding is old, and is unnecessary, the only thing that would be of any help would be to front load your test.
As for the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) there is a protocol by a doctor and it is here just look it up its called swales protocol it is a pretty straight forward way to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and keep everything the right size!

Oh I understand a little bit about your "beach body" bs but bro if you are using these compounds then they are for GROWTH for the long haul. If you want a little scrawny beach body then use some girlie stuff like anavar or oral pimo. Believe me a little water weight is not going to turn any hotties away if you have the shoulders legs and bi's to go with it!

hahah bro i fuckin like that last statement haha but yea ill deff look into the hCG and i think imma run a test-e/dbol/deca stack. I was talking to some guys at the gym today and they also said hold off on the tren for atleast 3rd or 4th cycle. but check out my other post and gimmie some guidance. i appreciate all the help man.