52 Year Old Noob. Are there any old guys in here? Am I too old?

[bobbioc]

Some background first. 52 years old, 5'7", 180 lbs. I have been training (cardio, toning) for about 2 years. Was 232 lbs. 2 years ago, but I have been running cycles of subq HCG/dieting to get my weight where I am. My BF is still high in my opinion, 29% according to my fancy scale, but I am hoping to jump into a cutting cycle to help get that BF down. I am planning to do pre-cycle bloodwork, but I know my test is probably pretty normal to high. At 52 I am as horny as I was at 15, with super stiff morning wood everyday, and a very happy wife. The problem is in the gym. I can lift some ok weights, but have hit a wall in terms of mass production, strength, and fat loss.

I have been reading pages and pages of information about the juice for about 2 weeks now on Google and other boards. I choose to join this fine board today and have read all the stickies and all the beginner stuff. I am real close to jumping all in, but I still have some doubts because of my age. I plan on starting SLOW and easy, but any advice, recommendations, thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[3J]

how did you get your bodyfat tested.. if it really is that high i dont recommend cycling yet

 

[bobbioc]

It's a Fitbit Aria bodyfat scale. I am not sure if anyone here has any info on the accuracy of the thing, and I have never had a "real" BF reading. Is there a BF max goal that needs to be reached? What is the concern for having higher BF? Won't a cutting cycle help reduce the BF?

 

[smittiot]

At the higher body fat I believe you have more risks of sides like gyno, blood pressure and cholesterol issues.
You are not too old IMHO. I am 46 and did my first cycle at 45.
Get a diet plan from 3J and get leaner before you jump in.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Ok so Welcome to the site. You won't really understand the magnitude of what I have to say here right now, but if you stick around for a year you will understand I'm professing truths to you. The truth is it's 80% diet no matter what drugs you take. So with a happy wife I would recommend.

1# spend the money on a diet consultant. Once your diet is dialed in the fat will melt away with just moderate exercise and tweaks to your diet.

2# Make some friends. This is a great place to have Friends.

3# Educate yourself on blood panels. Know what your need to get tested. Always get blood work done first.

4# TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE KNOWLEDGE HERE.

5# LEGAL SAFE TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY ss readily available if you choose that is what you want down the road. ( if you have morning wood at your age I wouldn't mess with your hormones. HCG diet is a good alternative )

 

[3J]

That was the truth spoken right there! ^^^

As for nutrition consultation I am a sports nutritionist and offer my services to all members on ology. Email me at 3jdiet@gmail.com for more info!

I am running a 25 percent off Christmas sale so it's a great time to get on board!

 

[reporich]

52 is not old!

 

[LukeIronWall]

29% BF is too high for you to think about a cycle, there are SERIOUS issues related to that and giving your age that could only be worse, so i suggest a little more reading on this matter.
52 is definitely nowhere near too old.
When your body fat is down i would suggest nothing less than a TEST ONLY cycle for nothing longer than 10 weeks with a good PCT.
Those bathroom scales or Electrical Impedance scales are HORRIBLY INACCURATE, and always over estimate, and things like level of hydration heart rate at the moment of measurement will only throw it off even more.
I couldn't agree more with Dreaded Pirate, DIET IS ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING and honestly if you were on more drugs than Bostin Lloyd and your diet is shit .. there is nothing that would give you the result you expect.

 

[Optimal]

Sounds like you want to substitute proper diet with drugs. At 29%, it's absolutely ludicrous and lazy to use anything other than TRT dose of test if needed.
Age is not the issue here. The fact that you use the term "toning" in a non-joking way suggests that you need to focus more on the education side of things first.
I can promise you that thoroughly reading through this: Fat loss | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald will yield better results than any drug, there is no substitute to diet.

 

[riprockwell]

Best thing you can do at this moment in your life is get with 3J. I can vouch for him as a long standing member here. Getting that body fat down with a diet is crucial and needs to be done before you consider anything. And like DPR stated, if you are set on running testosterone, then a TRT dose will go a long way. Running testosterone is more than just injecting testosterone. At your age you will need to monitor closely and watch your lipids, blood pressure, liver/kidney values, estrogen, etc. I'm not saying you are wicked old but this stuff takes some time and research and plenty of dialing in. If you are getting morning woods and feel great, then blood test yourself and see what your levels are first.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

Some of these responses might be on the harsh side. The fact that you are here asking these questions is a good indicator that you're on the right track. I wish you luck!

I'm 45 and an AAS newb as well, finishing up my first Test Tren cycle. I started at 20% bodyfat, which everyone here will tell you is WAY TOO DAMN HIGH. But my natural LDL is 73, and my blood pressure is low normal. On the gear, my LDL and trigs are still below 100, and my bp is within normal range, maybe just a tad high on some days. I've probably gone a little overboard in keeping estrogen low, (my last bloodwork E2 was 18), but I've had E2 in the 90's just from TRT, so I get a little OCD where that is concerned.

Now, my point being that everybody is different. If you have high cholesterol and BP naturally, you have to take that into consideration. IF you're a newb to estrogen control, its practically a guarantee that you'll screw something up in your first cycle, and with lots of fat cells providing conversion to E, it's likely to be significant. Gyno is no fun.

But, from one old newb to another, let me tell you my biggest regret about my foray into AAS. I spent $500-700 on good quality gear and all the ancillaries, just went insane in the gym, and now I realize that that this stuff isn't magic. If you haven't already trained yourself to eat right, you're not going to grow and get results. I didn't have the diet knowledge and commitment to get even half of what I should have out of this cycle. GET WITH 3J.

GET WITH 3J.

 

[bigben66]

Sounds like you want to substitute proper diet with drugs. At 29%, it's absolutely ludicrous and lazy to use anything other than TRT dose of test if needed.
Age is not the issue here. The fact that you use the term "toning" in a non-joking way suggests that you need to focus more on the education side of things first.
I can promise you that thoroughly reading through this: Fat loss | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald will yield better results than any drug, there is no substitute to diet.

Why would a 52yr old guy with regular morning wood, a happy wife, and proven high natty Test levels even consider running a TRT dose of Test?
It's ludicrous to even think that shutting down your own HPTA system for a miniscule amount of synthetic test is the right thing to do... Grrr why do people post sh*t like this?

An educated diet and a mixture of high intensity cardio and weight training are all that are needed here to address your bodyfat issues... NOT drugs!

 

[Mprtz]

I'm 50 and started TRT this year, but my T levels were around 300 and had been dropping - I could feel the change and it wasn't good.
I have to agree with the above - while your hormones are naturally good you'd have to be crazy to mess that up. Focus on the other aspects to break through your plateau and save the drugs for when you really need them.

 

[bobbioc]

I respect and appreciate the majority of the reply's I have received from my first question I posted on this board. I thank the posters for the more informative, guiding answers to my questions. I will use this information to look elsewhere to reach my fitness goals. In response to the more harsh posters, words like "ludicrous", "lazy" and "sh*t like this" are really counter productive to helping someone with NO experience in your way of life, learn from you and your fellow posters.

Adios Amigos!

 

[Optimal]

Why would a 52yr old guy with regular morning wood, a happy wife, and proven high natty Test levels even consider running a TRT dose of Test?
It's ludicrous to even think that shutting down your own HPTA system for a miniscule amount of synthetic test is the right thing to do... Grrr why do people post sh*t like this?

An educated diet and a mixture of high intensity cardio and weight training are all that are needed here to address your bodyfat issues... NOT drugs!

He wouldn't? I never said that he should?

"If needed"

It was a general statement for people losing weight in case other people in a similar position attempt it but screw themselves due to not having the same levels as the OP. Obviously it has been indicated in this specific scenario that it would very likely not be necessary.