6 months after DBOL and still shut down???...please help!

[s.d]

Hi,

So 6 months ago i did my first ever cycle, a DBOL+PROVIRON cycle. Now i know that i will be criticized for taking only orals, but at the time i was greatly misinformed by some friends, and now i know i made a mistake. Nevertheless i would greatly appreciate some advice if possible. So my cycle lasted for only about 4 weeks, around 40 mg of dbol ED. After that i did a standard nolva+tribulus PCT for around 3-4 weeks. Its been 6 months since the cycle, and even though all my hormones are perfect, i have huge problems with sex drive and erectile dysfunction which has never happened. I realize that I'm the idiot for not researching enough, and even though it is my fault, it would mean a lot if someone with experience could advise me as to what the issue may be, since I'm getting a lot of conflicting info. Some tell me to take HCG now, some tell me its too late, some say take test...etc...please help.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Unconquered1]

I wouldn't take any more anabolics. Have you had blood work to see where ALL your levels are??? I'd go with hcg. It's never too late to be proactive!

 

[crazyfmike]

First off many thanks for posting this thread in hopes these fucking know it all little chits are going to read this and get informed.....yes fuckers THIS DOES HAPPEN!

I'd like to have a smoking gun answer or an Endo worth a his weight in knowing what to do. unfortunately I have neither :-(

My best advice is a collective from the many guys here with many years. I'll give my .02: a Nolva and Cycle.

Hope to see the Big Dogs chime in here.

 

[crazyfmike]

I wouldn't take any more anabolics. Have you had blood work to see where ALL your levels are??? I'd go with hcg. It's never too late to be proactive!

I am not in agreement here. HCG is a cosmetic drug. HCG in fact is going to keep you shutdown. It my be possible running HCG prior to a heavy Clomid Cycle may trigger some HTPA response through another mechancism, but end of day HCG shuts a guy a down and keeps him shut down same as running test.

I do agree with blood work, female panel will do.

 

[s.d]

thanks for all the advice guys...well i did blood work around 10 days ago, test was all good, estrogen was a little high but nothing to worry about, and beta HCG was at 0.1 mU/ml which i dont know if its ok, since its only stated that it should be below 5 mU/ml

 

[AndroSport]

Agreed with CFM... hate to use you as a lightning rod but if it saves other kids from doing this stupid shit it is completely worth it whether you agree or not. I'm not bashing you... in fact I did this stupid shit myself and messed around too early and too often with reckless disregard and now I have to take a testosterone shot weekly to have normal levels and I am fucked for life.

I would venture to say running the "clomid challenge" will give your natural test levels a boost as high as they should be able to go. Look up "clomid challenge" on this board and I think it is taking 100mg of clomid daily for 7-10 days then do a blood test to see where you are. Then we need to be able to see if you will stay there. (it will help if you have previous labs showing where your levels were prior to any AAS use)

BTW: Give us your stats bro... Age, height, weight, BF%, training history & etc

You should go get a blood test now to make sure you are actually low for real... i have seen people BELIEVE they are low and then get all the symptoms and depression but when they got blood work they found out that they were normal and the symptoms disappeared!

SO, IN SUMMARY DO THE FOLLOWING:

Blood work @ privatemdlabs.com (looks for coupon code on the site and find your local lab... will be about $50 after discount for FEMALE HORMONE PANEL)

Based on the results of the labs either do:
a) Clomid challenge or other PCT stye natural test recovery therapy based on the recommendations here
OR
b) Quit freaking out

Good luck bro... keep us posted!

 

[s.d]

No offense taken bro, i knw i'm to blame, so thanks for even taking the time to help out... as for stats: I'm 21, 5'10", 170 lbs, been training for around 3 years...and in concern to the blood work, I'll go and get some done tomorrow, but as i said, 10 days ago my test levels weren't low at all, they weren't near the maximum limit for my age, but they were roughly in the middle...only thing that was low was Follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), which i don't know if that's important. That's what is confusing me, my test seems OK, yet the erectile dysfunction is clearly here and my balls never recovered back...

 

[AndroSport]

Oh I didn't see that part until now... post up a scan or pic of the blood work you had done 10 days ago please. No need to do it again if you haven't messed around in the mean time since you had it.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Start with HCG therapy to get the size of the testicles back to normal then switch to igf1lr3 with clomid. that's is the best thing to get you back. As I don't practice medicine I will not give you a dosing schedule that is up to you to figure out. Please get blood work done.

 

[josh223]

First thing's first, go to your doctor and get some bloodwork done. See where your LH is as well as test and free test.

Next quit taking that tribulus and nolva crap, you are probably taking the natural post cycle therapy (pct) herbal supplement that usually goes with prohormones, not real prescription nolvadex (tamoxifen).

Get REAL PHARMACEUTICAL CLOMIPHENE CITRATE 50mg

take Clomid for 20 days at the exact same time every day.

then get another blood test and make sure if anything went back to normal.

 

[Jack Tors]

25mg of clomid ed 5 weeks
see if ed issues go awy if not cont clomid

 

[Unconquered1]

I am not in agreement here. HCG is a cosmetic drug. HCG in fact is going to keep you shutdown. It my be possible running HCG prior to a heavy Clomid Cycle may trigger some HTPA response through another mechancism, but end of day HCG shuts a guy a down and keeps him shut down same as running test.

I do agree with blood work, female panel will do.

I can agree with this. The reason I suggested hcg is bc it has worked for me when I crashed after my last cycle. My test levels were down to 117ng. The 5000iu of hcg per week brought back testes size and raised my testosterone levels up around 520ng. It also brought back my energy levels that I would have given my left nut to have back.

 

[RISE]

I had the same problem first starting out with deca. Got my blood drawn and all was normal. This may be against some peoples recommendations, but it worked for me. I was shutdown for about 6-7 months like you, so I started a test only cycle and did PCT PROPERLY. Everything was back to normal afterward.

 

[Duke30]

I had the same problem first starting out with deca. Got my blood drawn and all was normal. This may be against some peoples recommendations, but it worked for me. I was shutdown for about 6-7 months like you, so I started a test only cycle and did post cycle therapy (pct) PROPERLY. Everything was back to normal afterward.

Used D-bol ONLY for about every 4 years with no test with some Nolvadex....libido was never a problem...but I wasn't shaving everyday...Every 5 days.

Then used Substan250 with D-bol again after reading as much as I can here at Steriodology and used correct post cycle therapy (pct) afterwards (4 days of nolva..thats it)...Now I shave every other day but could do everyday If I want to.Balls got bigger too.

Only used Redefine Nutrition Revolution post cycle therapy (pct) Black for post cycle therapy (pct) because of it's trademarked "ARMISTANE" ....Now I'm not hawking products but it worked for me...There may be better products out there.

 

[Lesh]

I had the same problem first starting out with deca. Got my blood drawn and all was normal. This may be against some peoples recommendations, but it worked for me. I was shutdown for about 6-7 months like you, so I started a test only cycle and did PCT PROPERLY. Everything was back to normal afterward.

Hi, I did a deca test e cycle a year ago and things went wrong!
I did pct clomid hcg but I think that the test e I had was fake?
Almost a year later and still not 100% libido is good just the ed
makes me crazy! Did my bloods test is 340 which is low but my
Gp says everything is ok :-/

I was adviced to do a test prop only cycle, and I will need
Advice from you, as you have been through the same. Please can you
Guide me through your pct any advice welcome!

I have my pct gear. I have got clomid and hcg.
Hope that's enough???

 

[lanier1974]

Not sure how this went for you, but you said your Estrogen was a tad high. After post cycle therapy (pct) I have been trying Aromasin 12.5mg E3D to keep my estrogen in the sweet spot. Too high or too low will kill your libido, even if test is high. I track my morning wood on a consistent scale and keep a record. It's working well. More morning wood than before my cycle.

Try 12.5 E3D. If nothing happens try 25mg E3D. Or try 6.25 E3D. Play with it, and don't change timing or amount for at least three doses. Change one variable at a time, ie E4D or EOD, higher or lower dose.

If your test is otherwise normal/high, this may work.

 

[J_Fox23]

Not sure how this went for you, but you said your Estrogen was a tad high. After post cycle therapy (pct) I have been trying Aromasin 12.5mg E3D to keep my estrogen in the sweet spot. Too high or too low will kill your libido, even if test is high. I track my morning wood on a consistent scale and keep a record. It's working well. More morning wood than before my cycle.

Try 12.5 E3D. If nothing happens try 25mg E3D. Or try 6.25 E3D. Play with it, and don't change timing or amount for at least three doses. Change one variable at a time, ie E4D or EOD, higher or lower dose.

If your test is otherwise normal/high, this may work.

I was gonna suggest him running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) too. Do you guys think it would help him if he ran clomid and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), possibly keeping the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at a low dose so it doesn't suppress his estrogen all the way?

 

[Transporter]

I would say run a proper post cycle therapy (pct) once again including clomid and nolva for a month and then report after. I have really mixed feelings about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) so can't comment on that. Good luck !

 

[killler]

I don`t understand.

If your test is at ok level OP,then this is not the cause of your sexual problems.

And there is no need for clomid or whatever.

 

[DexterMorgan]

You said that your hormones were perfect. So you got the blood work done? What were the numbers for your T and E?

Could be negative thinking that's all. Power of mind is a helluva thing.