6'6'' and trying to bulk

[Mistafunnyman]

Hi Im 24 years old, 6'6'' and about 210 pounds.

I have been working out since i was about 18 and went through about 3-4 years being a complete rookie to the muscle world. My training ideas were wrong, my diet was way off and i levelled at 185 pounds without any significant gains. And that was at 6'6''. So im talking slim.

Finally i had some sense knocked into me during mma (literally knocked into me), and i got a better understanding of what to eat, when to eat, how much, when to train, how etc etc etc.

I stuck on about 20 pounds in about 2-3 years naturally and so was very happy.

Now my gains are slowing down and i am nowhere near the build i want. Im still pretty scrawny, and my chest is awful.


I was thinking of my first cycle and perhaps doing it at the end of this year. (got a lot on atm and cant commit)

I was thinking of a dbol and "something else" cycle. Im not sure what tho, to stack dbol with. Im not keen on just doing dbol alone because ive read gains are lost fast after. Also is it ok to do it with another oral like Winstrol (winny)? I know that Winstrol (winny) isnt really used at all for bulking but is good for the hard look, or should it be a test ester?

Im looking for ideas on cycle ideas and which products to stack.

my plan so far is:
dbol at 30mg a day for 4 weeks
winny at 50mgs: injected every other day for 12 weeks.

Day 1 : clomid 250mg + Nolvadex 60mg
Following 10 days: clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days: clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg



opinions? criticism (i dont mind)

 

[Teutonic]

Winny is garbage.

Dbol alone is garbage.

Oral cycle s are no no no good.

Test e or c. At 500 a week. 12 weeks

With an ai

With hcg

A good pct in hand...

 

[JackedinMI]

listen to T on this one...do a little more reading and you will find your answer

stay away from orals only and get your hands on some good quality test c/e and just run that for your first cycle and have proper Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand and PCT plan in place.

 

[juice44]

i ran a test only cycle for my first run.. overall happy with the results and it'll give you a good understanding on how your body will react..

i ran sustanon my first (and second cycle) and was amazed by the results from the alone.. no d-bol or anything like that stacked.. test only

the only thing i would have done differently is to have ran HCG to prevent natty test production shut down

keep reading bud you'll find what you want and what'll work best for your goals ....

.... i gained about 15-20 pounds while on cycle with just sust alone

 

[Mt-momma]

My husband is 6'5, so I understand how hard it can be to put on the size you want at that height. Really, really look at your diet. You have to be getting in the right cals to grow. Sometimes my husband feels as though eating enough is work. It took a couple years, but we finally got him to 253lbs. He's always maintained low bf% due to his job being so active. All his gains have been very clean gains, but it's taken time, training, and lots of clean food. He takes in 5200 cals a day currently. HHe's hoping to hit 260 within the next couple months.

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

I am 6'5" and can relate here.
If you are going to inject, why not spend the same amount as you would on Winstrol (winny) and get some test?
I tried for years to gain with every training style possible, only to find out down the road I was only consuming close to 3000 calories. I developed a much better understanding for diet and was able to get myself up to 220 at heaviest through good eating and proper cycling.

Anyways. GO with test.

 

[Mistafunnyman]

Cheers for all the info and feedback!

all i can hear now going through my head is "test test test test" so ill read more into that and its deviations

many thanks guys. Its much easier to get answers on a forum where there are more americans than brits lol

 

[Carhartt]

^^^^ lol !!

 

[Supercharged]

Dbol alone is garbage.

Not trying to derail the thread, or say that you're completely wrong, but stating that one of the strongest steroids available is some how garbage if used by itself is just a tad bit misleading. Dont-cha think?

 

[Mistafunnyman]

Not trying to derail the thread, or say that you're completely wrong, but stating that one of the strongest steroids available is some how garbage if used by itself is just a tad bit misleading. Dont-cha think?

Hmmm well im still very interested in a test cycle, as I have heard a lot of positive feed back.

But you think Dbol alone can be good too?

just trying to get a wider understanding

 

[methos]

6'5" 220 here and for guys like us it's all about food. I have done dbol only in the past and it was only fun while on cycle. Then it all disappears and then some. If I were do do it all over again, I would not have wasted my time with dbol only and I would have honed in on my diet. If I don't work out or eat a ton, my body weight would be about 185lbs. Check your diet first. Test only is a good first cycle. Have you had any bloodwork done lately?

 

[Mistafunnyman]

Erm I havent had blood work done recently, but I did about a 9 months ago. Everything was fine according to the dr. Testosterone levels were good, tho he said free testosterone could be a little higher, but I had just come off a prohormone cycle. Lh and Fsh levels were good and pretty much everything else.

Hmmm what kind of diet did you do to pack on?

 

[Teutonic]

Not trying to derail the thread, or say that you're completely wrong, but stating that one of the strongest steroids available is some how garbage if used by itself is just a tad bit misleading. Dont-cha think?

You could start a thread on dbol alone and see where the majority of people s opinions lie.

It is my opinion that
1- Oral only cycles are not good
2- Dbol alone is no good cuz there is total shut down and with no exogenous test added to the mix complications probably will follow.

And I am in agreement with you. When I was competing or just trying be the biggest in line at wal-mart I LOVED dbol.

Its quick, it strong and its effective and gives a good sense of well being. While your on it. Come off a dbol only cycle most people will hurting as there gain s piss away,,,just my opinion.

Your avi looks good, if it s you.

 

[methos]

The biggest change I made is the frequency of eating. When I increased from 2-3 meals to 6-8 meals per day my appetite went through the roof. If I get busy at work or whatever I have cases of Muscle Milk light on hand. Almonds, etc as snacks. My biggest problem in the past was that I would have no appetite because I would eat 2 huge meals per day. I was never hungry, in fact, I could go all day without eating. I noticed weight coming on faster when I added an early meal (stopping night time catabolism) and a late snack before bed with protein. Hydrating at night more helped too.

 

[methos]

One more important note. I produce much more insulin than the average person. I learned that I also increase gains by consuming high glycemic carbs about 10 min post workout. I then follow that up with about 40 grams of protein 15 minutes later to take advantage of the insulin spike. This works for almost everybody.

Regarding workouts. I would get stuck at plateaus and would always try to mix up my workouts to keep the muscles in shock. Well I learned also that going to extremes helped too. On one day I might only do 6 reps to failure on big muscles for several sets. Then the next week I may pick a weight that I could do 20 reps with, then do how ever many sets it takes to get to 100 reps. Doing this with a partner helps, cause you can alternate and go to failure. The reps to failure might be 20-15-15-12-9-5 etc. If you switch back and forth with only the amount of rest it takes for your partner to do their reps, you will fatigue quick. As Arnold frequently said, it's the reps you cannot do by yourself that stimulate growth. Hope this helps.

Oh, not to side track your thred with this stuff. If you go the cycle route. I would highly recommend Test only. I have done quite a variety of cycles and the oral only is a very temporary thing.

 

[Mistafunnyman]

Ok im going to go for a few months adjusting just my diet and my training and see where that gets me after say 4-6 months. Then if im still not really hitting the size I want even if I up the calories etc, then Ill try a test cycle.

If i was to that, what dosages would be good for a beginner and im assuiming hcg and nolvadex would be good for PCT....again dosages for pct?

 

[Hockeyplaya18]

HCG would be either done during cycle about 500iu's a week, and/or a blast phase 10-14 days after last inject and before CLOMID and NOLVA PCT. The HCG should be run at 1000iu Every Other Day for 10 day blast phase. The day after last HCG inject start Clomid 100mg and Nolva 40mg, then ED after that for 2 weeks run CLOMID 50mg, and NOLVA 40mg, after the 2 weeks keep CLOMID at 50mg for 2 more weeks, and drop NOLVA down to 20mg ED for 2 weeks.

GOOD LUCK!!

Btw I rocked Test E at 600mg a week, loving it!!!! Im 6'5 and 260 with 2 weeks left of cycle.

 

[methos]

Hockeylplaya nailed it with the PCT. That is a perfectly laid out plan.

 

[Mistafunnyman]

HCG would be either done during cycle about 500iu's a week, and/or a blast phase 10-14 days after last inject and before CLOMID and NOLVA PCT. The HCG should be run at 1000iu Every Other Day for 10 day blast phase. The day after last HCG inject start Clomid 100mg and Nolva 40mg, then ED after that for 2 weeks run CLOMID 50mg, and NOLVA 40mg, after the 2 weeks keep CLOMID at 50mg for 2 more weeks, and drop NOLVA down to 20mg ED for 2 weeks.

GOOD LUCK!!

Btw I rocked Test E at 600mg a week, loving it!!!! Im 6'5 and 260 with 2 weeks left of cycle.

Thats a huge help and thanks very much!!

test enanthate then? is that best one? I know all the esters have different half life's etc.


Anyway this thread has really helped, and WOW 6'5'' at 260 is impressive. I hope to get around that some day

cheers

 

[Hockeyplaya18]

Or Test Cyp, it has a longer ester attached thats the only diff. I love my Test E!!

Thanks bro, Just eat big and clean, train, and sleep. You'll be there before ya know it!