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Punchier Drugs--With Grapefruit Juice
A glass of grapefruit juice not only helps the pill go down, it also makes it more potent. Now, a study in the current Journal of Clinical Investigation has revealed why: A substance in the juice fights a drug-degrading enzyme in the intestine. The insight could be a first step toward increasing the effectiveness of some oral drugs.
About 3 years ago, researchers noted that grapefruit juice helps the body absorb many types of drugs, including sedatives, hormones, and protease inhibitors. A group of doctors from the University of Michigan and the London Health Sciences Centre, in London, Ontario, set out to investigate. They focused on an enzyme in the liver and intestine, called CYP3A4, that usually breaks down toxins from spoiled food. "It's [also] the most prolific of the drug-degrading enzymes," says Paul Watkins, a member of the Michigan team. In fact, it contributes to the breakdown of about half of all known human drugs.
Watkins and his colleagues gave felodipine, a calcium channel blocker used to control high blood pressure, to 10 healthy men, both with and without grapefruit juice. The grapefruit juice increased blood concentrations of felodipine more than fourfold. The team also measured the concentrations of CYP3A4 levels in the intestine and found that they fell by 62%. Something in grapefruit juice appears to be blocking the action of CYP3A4. But the concentration of CYP3A4 in the liver was unchanged--suggesting that the juice does not affect the rate at which the drug is metabolized once it enters the bloodstream.
If the active ingredient of grapefruit juice can be identified and isolated, drugs might be made more effective--and less expensive per useful dose. Adding grapefruit's CYP3A4 blocker to a pill could also assure a set dosage, an advantage, because people naturally vary 10-fold in how much of a drug they absorb. "It will make a lot of difference in the way people take drugs," predicts Raymond Woosley, a pharmacologist at Georgetown University Medical Center
 
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More on this..... (post #2)

GRAPEFRUIT JUICE AND DRUGS
HOW DOES GRAPEFRUIT JUICE AFFECT THE DRUGS I AM TAKING?

Grapefruit juice blocks cytochrome P-450 3A4 and Ia2 (CYP3A4 and CYP1A2) enzymes in your intestinal wall. Common to all living organisms, the body has evolved the cytochrome P-450 system, a superfamily of enzymes responsible for removing drugs and toxins from the body. The cytochrome P-450 3A4 subfamily, located predominantly in the liver and intestinal tract, is one of the most common enzyme systems for metabolizing drugs. Most drugs are lipid-soluble or"fat-loving", so that they are readily absorbed in your bloodstream. To eliminate these drugs, however, in the cytochrome P450 system either breaks them down in the gut or changes them in to a more water-soluble or "water-loving" version in the liver. The kidney can then eliminate them in the urine. Thus, the liver,gut, and kidney work together to prevent excessive amounts of drug and/or toxins from getting in to your bloodstream. Grapefruit juice blocks the cytochrome P450 3A4 enzyme systems in your gut. By inhibiting this defence mechanism, grapefruit juice may increase the blood levels of some drugs. Therefore, you may experience adverse effects from the drugs you are taking when taken with grapefruit juice.
WHICH SUBSTANCE IN THE GRAPEFRUIT JUICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE INTERACTIONS WITH DRUGS?

The precise chemical nature of the substance in the grapefruit juice that inhibits gut wall CTP 3A4 enzymes is unknown. It has been suggested that flavanoids, coumarin, or psoralen derivatives in the grapefruit juice could be the inhibitors. The amount of inhibiting substance in grapefruit juice may vary by brand, concentrations and storage conditions.

I DRINK ONE GLASS OF REGULAR GRAPEFRUIT JUICE WITH BREAKFAST IN THE MORNING, WILL THIS AFFECT THE DRUGS I AM TAKING?

Yes. Regular grapefruit juice is prepared by diluting frozen grapefruit juice with normal amount of water. Double-strength grapefruit juice is prepared by diluting frozen grapefruit juice with half the normal amount of water. One glass of regular grapefruit juice is enough to significantly raise the blood levels of the number of drugs.

FOR HOW LONG DOES THE GRAPEFRUIT JUICE INHIBIT CYP 3A4?

The inhibitory effect of grapefruit juice on CYP 3A4 can last for several hours. A recent study found increased blood levels of calcium-channel blocker felodipine (Plendil) even when the drug was given 24 hours after drinking grapefruit juice.

I TAKE AN EXTENDED RELEASE PRODUCT, IS THIS ALSO AFFECTED BY GRAPEFRUIT JUICE?

Yes. Grapefruit juice increases the blood levels of extended release preparations. Recent studies have shown increased blood levels of extended release felodipine,extended release nifedipine (Adalat, Procardia) when taken with grapefruit juice.

WHICH DRUGS ARE AFFECTED BY GRAPEFRUIT JUICE AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEIR BLOOD LEVELS INCREASE?

CYP 3A4 is involved in the metabolism of many medications. When CYP 3A4 is inhibited by grapefruit juice, the blood levels of many medications may rise. Examples of drugs reported to interact are listed in the table below. Since many more drugs are likely to interact, it is important to ask your doctor or pharmacist if you drink grapefruit juice and are taking any medications.
 
could u not just get the grapefruit extracts that have those chems in it and get the same affect?
 
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copracor said:
is this a new way to make the most of your dbols?

ANY orals bro ;)

(D-bol, Winstrol (winny), Anavar (var), Primo)

You get MORE mg's absorbed! ;) !!!!!!!!

MORE bang for your buck!
 
Yup. This has been talked about 2 yrs ago and more. Little slow DJ j/k

That is why with alot of meds you see warnings like " do not take with grapefruit juice" Im sure you could imagine how over absorption that predicted could be bad in some instances.

It is pretty neat though. I worked last summer in a toxicology lab experimenting with metabolism. CYP 3A4 was the main focus. We used a funges called C. Bombicolla that happens to secret that same enzyme and incubated it with various drugs to see the different metabolites, and then did it again with some new experimental drugs that protect the inubation drug from the CYP 3A4. I believe on of the drugs was similar in structure to the chemical in grapefruit juice as I remeber talk of it in the research literature.

Anyways...it works
 
Billy_Bathgate said:
Yup. This has been talked about 2 yrs ago and more. Little slow DJ j/k

That is why with alot of meds you see warnings like " do not take with grapefruit juice" Im sure you could imagine how over absorption that predicted could be bad in some instances.

It is pretty neat though. I worked last summer in a toxicology lab experimenting with metabolism. CYP 3A4 was the main focus. We used a funges called C. Bombicolla that happens to secret that same enzyme and incubated it with various drugs to see the different metabolites, and then did it again with some new experimental drugs that protect the inubation drug from the CYP 3A4. I believe on of the drugs was similar in structure to the chemical in grapefruit juice as I remeber talk of it in the research literature.

Anyways...it works


It was shown that it works great with benzos, viagra etc..
I've seen evidence that oxandrolone is a CYP3A4 substrate, do you have any info on other orals ?

BTW, Milk Thistle also inhibits CYP3A4 in vitro:
http://dmd.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/28/11/1270
 
I'm still waiting on the person who will ask "So how much grapefuit juice should I add to my Test shots to get better absorbstion" My guess is that it will be a Canadian that asks this question...... :)
 
thefantom1 said:
I'm still waiting on the person who will ask "So how much grapefuit juice should I add to my Test shots to get better absorbstion" My guess is that it will be a Canadian that asks this question...... :)

:rolleyes2 :fawk2:
 
Actually, testosterone is a CYP3A4 substrate so blocking CYP3A4 (in liver) may inhibit testosterone metabolism.

According to James Maskalyk "Studies suggest that grapefruit juice exerts its effect primarily at the level of the intestine".
 
In the pdr many drugs list grapefruit as interacting with increasing the blood levels......Be careful about other things you are taking but as far as gear goes its all good......
 
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That is an interesting question??? Does higher blood levels equal more gains.....I don't know the answer because i don't know if there is much written about it, since it is not commnly employed D-Bol that is.......
 
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