AAS dosing and the importance of blood work lets quit misleading each other!!

droid

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I have been using Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) since 1991 and at that time the best info we had was the Anabolic Reference Guide and gym vets. It had many cycles in it of which the pyramid was the most popular. I started a very skinny and genetically disposed at 5' 10.5'and 165 lbs. My first cycle was Lyphomed Deca and Upjohn Cypinate. It was an 8 week cycle that started with .5 ml of both per week and increased .5 ml both per week until the 4th week and then back down at .5 ml less each week. I went to 185 lbs off this one and continued to cycle in this fashion for about 3 years. In this time I got to 270 pounds using those two compounds and Sustonon only, still never upping dosages. Technology and experience has shown us that the pyramid is not the most optimal way to cycle and back then post cycle therapy (pct) was nonexistent. I then took a three year layoff to get my career in order at which time when I came back the internet was now a wealth of NEW information. I started training again and reading the latest in cycling info saying how 500mg of test with other compounds should be the least dose for a beginner. Knowing all along that not going over 800mg a week total Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) that I had made incredible gains. My first cycle back was 800mg of Cypinate with 400mg of Deca per week for 10 weeks. The gains were not head and shoulders above the gains I experienced with 400mg less total Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) I was doing before. I had been and still read that the gains are so much more with 1 gram of test plus per week and the sides are not that much more. This is true for the physical side effects IE.edema, gyno, acne and hairloss of which now could be controlled with and anti-estrogens and other ancillaries. Then after two years of this type of dosing with 8-10 week cycles and 8-10 weeks in between I had blood done and it came back horrendous. I have been off for over 6 months and my blood is still not in normal ranges. This brings me to the point of this thread that the sides are much worse with higher doses and that the gains do not really out weigh the sides. The sides being in the values of blood work and the amount of time HPTA actually takes to recover from these "mega" dosed cycles that are currently recommended all over the net. We are now seeing a good trend where a lot more bros are getting blood work 8-10 weeks post cycle that have used proper post cycle therapy (pct) and still having shitty values IE lipids, RBC, AST, ALT, total test etc. Fact being that for most of us average Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users the old time on = time off just does not cut it. There are the "VETS" and "the people in the know" that are held in such high regard that post blood work after being on for several months to years continuously, posting "I had blood done and everything was perfect". When in reality the majority of these vets if you see their pictures are more than genetically gifted and most times we only hear of the few lucky people who this actually happens to. Now the average Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) user and board member says well if he can do it so can I. How many posts do we see daily asking I just finished my cycle when am I ready for another and the advice is "8-10 weeks after with proper post cycle therapy (pct) and you should be good to go" this is bullshit advice based on nothing. The average Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) user comprises 98% of the people on the boards and they are justifying starting another cycle without blood work thinking that 8-10 weeks after a fairly heavy cycle that they are ready for another one based on the vets and others OPINIONS. Blood work invaluable to the Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) user and it is reckless not having it done. Everyone bitches on how much it costs or I cannot get my doc to do it when in fact this our health we are talking about and if you cannot afford the blood work you should not be doing AAS. Now you are putting a price on health and IMOP there is no price high enough not to check your blood when putting Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) into your body! It should be as much a staple as post cycle therapy (pct) is and fall within the saying "do not start your cycle until you have everything you need" and we need blood work.


DROID
 
Not many people here if any recomend 2 compounds for a first cycle, But I hear what you saying.

JohnnyB
 
I agree that dosages recommended now are a joke. They're a lot higher than they were even 3-5 years ago.

I think my favorite "1st cycle" is 500mg/wk Test + 500mg/wk Deca + 50mg/day D-Bol. :wtf:

On the otherhand, I don't see a problem recommending 400-600mg/wk of Test ONLY as a 1st cycle. There have been multiple studies showing that even at this dosage there shouldn't be any problems with side-effects, and that while nobody will argue that a newbie can't grow on 200mg/wk or 300mg/wk of Test, there's a study showing that, without increasing chances of side effects, they could double their mass gains by double the dosage. (I certainly don't think the same thing can be said though when talking about 1g+ dosages.)

Also, even when I started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) my doctor was giving me 400mg injections of Test Cyp to bring my levels up quickly.
 
DTOX--IMPO, doctors should not be prescribing steroids and calling them "TRT".
 
Swale,
Glad you got rid of the "shits and giggles......" disclaimer. Much nicer.

Asked the powers that be here to have a TRT/HRT forum here, but??????????
 
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SWALE said:
DTOX--IMPO, doctors should not be prescribing steroids and calling them "TRT".

I'll be sure and let him know you disapprove of his starting dosage regimine... :rolleyes:

Noticed that I said 400mg and not 400mg/wk. My doc has some ideas I disagree with. One of them being that a once-a-month injection of 400mg is TRT... Needless to say I got him to just prescribe me the vial & syringes so I could do it weekly.

BTW, what are your thoughts on doctors that frequent bodybuilding forums and sell prescriptions for steroids? :D

--I certainly don't think you're one of them. I just thought it was a bit strange to complain about a doctor that does legitimate testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) therapy when I think we both know there are plenty of docs 'round these parts that sell prescriptions on the sly (no consultation needed)...
 
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DTOX said:
I'll be sure and let him know you disapprove of his starting dosage regimine... :rolleyes:

BTW, what are your thoughts on doctors that frequent bodybuilding forums and sell prescriptions for steroids? :D
rertract the claws big guy , its hard enough to find doctors who understand what we do and why and spend more time keeping us healthy and less time nagging about those nasty steroids we use without alienating one of them , swale is a good bro and offers up a lot of excellant and FREE advice in these forums . also there is a difference in prescribing hormone replacement therapy to someone who has a shutdown hpta and selling prescriptions for steroids .
 
DADAWG said:
rertract the claws big guy , its hard enough to find doctors who understand what we do and why and spend more time keeping us healthy and less time nagging about those nasty steroids we use without alienating one of them , swale is a good bro and offers up a lot of excellant and FREE advice in these forums . also there is a difference in prescribing hormone replacement therapy to someone who has a shutdown hpta and selling prescriptions for steroids .

I edited my post. I didn't mean the comment towards Swale, but I can see that it was read that way.

I think docs like Swale & Buffdoc are some of the best contributors to this site and it wouldn't be the same without them!
 
DTOX said:
I edited my post. I didn't mean the comment towards Swale, but I can see that it was read that way.

I think docs like Swale & Buffdoc are some of the best contributors to this site and it wouldn't be the same without them!
spoken like a class act bro:)
 
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