I've recently been looking into AAS use for treating emphysema or helping with maintaining weight. I'm sure there has to be a compound out there that can help regenerate lung tissue at an increased rate. My grandpa has had it for about ten years. He has told me to look into it for him. He is sick of not being able to do anything without losing his breath and all the doctors say is keep taking albuterol through his inhaler. I'm determined to find him something that will help!! I was hoping to be able to run him a low to medium dosage of something with albuterol tabs(I think these will work better for opening him up). Do any of you have any experience with this or input? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks
AAS for COPD/Emphysema???????????
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PrinceDianabol
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Maybe HGH?? You'd have to research it tho but maybe that or tb500 would be a possibilty?
Megatron28
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Be careful with AAS. Some kinds can increase estrogen (via aromatization) which in turn can increase fluid retention. I imagine this would not be good for his condition.
Yes I would definitely need a dry compund. He's willing to try anything at this point. And I think one thing most of these doctors aren't even looking into is regeneration and actually repairing the lungs. HGH is actually a very interesting theroy as well. I'm going to need to throw peptides into the equation too since those may be the easiest on his body.Also, do you guys think albuterol tablets at a mild dose would help him breathe better than an inhaler? I know were not doctors here, just looking for any insight and advice as I try to put something together for him.
PrinceDianabol
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Ive never experimented with albuterol... Although i have used clenbuterol a few times, and as an asthmatic i cant say i noticed any real changes.. Although my asthma is very mild and have been experiencing much fewer symptoms of late. Though i have attributed that to growing out of it... Could have helped tho.
Stick with the inhaler. Get him a home nebulizer with some liquid albuterol and ipratropium bromide (atrovent), that will open him up quickly and the atrovent will keep him open for hours. Make sure he doesn't have a peanut or soy allergy though.
I'm sorry to hear about your dad, but I know some people are treated with mild steroids to temporarily help COPD exacerbation episodes. Prednisone comes to mind...maybe research similar compounds and tweak it to your dads current situation?
Good luck in your search.
I'm sorry to hear about your dad, but I know some people are treated with mild steroids to temporarily help COPD exacerbation episodes. Prednisone comes to mind...maybe research similar compounds and tweak it to your dads current situation?
Good luck in your search.
Megatron28
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Just to clarify, Prednisone is a corticosteroid. It is not an Anabolic Androgenic Steroid. There is a huge difference between the two.
I'm well aware. I'm really determined to get some AAS for him but am a little worried if it would be ok with his albuterol treatments. Like I said though he's willing to try anything at this point and at the right dosages with proper support I think it can only help. His test levels are most likely completely shot. I know how good I felt on gear, I can only imagine someone who actually NEEDS the boost.
unkazra1
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Watched my grandmother slowly die from emphysema. This thread makes me wonder also. All this medication to slowdown the progressive nature of the disease (inhalers..prednisone .etc)., but nothing to promote regeneration of new tissue that know of.. Wonder if there are studies involving effects of GH on patients with these types of diseases.??
This is exactly why I'm dipping into this subject. Instead of keeping people alive but letting it progress and make ppl miserable, let's fix the problem. I have seen various articles where AAS have been used for COPD, but nothing more than studies. Don't think they are focusing enough on regeneration. I'm convinced it can be done. I believe it's somewhat like type 2 diabetes. Either you control with pumps and keep it. Or you clean up your diet and completly get rid of it. Regeneration of the lungs is not out of the question.
I understand that completely man. This isn;t just out of the blue, I've talked with him about this for almost a year now. Most doctors won't even let you get a word in or shut down any ideas you throw their way.
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unkazra1
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I would say this: DipKing..great advice man. There needs to be some cold hard facts involved in order to justify experimenting. I would tell you this though, someone who's suffering from this condition, would tell you they don't need too many "hard facts" to tip the scales. If my grandmother could turn back time, she'd be willing to try anything within reason. It wouldn't take much proof to convince her to try something in the range of "experimental" rather than go out by drowning/suffocating from the build up of fluid in her lungs. I agree 100% that you can't just try any old thing based on hypothesis. I believe maris61 feels exactly that same way and is here seeking information so as not to make that mistake. FACT: This medical condition will grind down your loved one's and it will get to that point where your loved one is willing to take risks. I know that point intimately. When your grandmother (as mine did) starts talking about getting a hold of Dr Jack Kevorkian for help, is probably a good indicator they are open to experimenting with new things. Looking back, I wish she did get a hold of him, for her sake. She suffered tremendously. I hope you find some answers out there bud. When you do..your job is simply to share all the info with your grandfather and let him decide. Good luck to you both brother...And welcome to Ology!!!!!
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He's very open. He honestly has told me he'd rather take the risk and die then slowly suffer. It hurts me to see him in a state like this. He's not bed ridden, he just can't go anywhere without losing all energy. I don't think it's fair to him for me to not try these things if he's willing to do it. And who knows it just might work. If something gives back his will to live, I think it;s worth it, as does he.
unkazra1
Not a Newbie
My grandmother had chairs and stools set up at every turn in the house. Her oxygen chord long enough to reach anywhere, so it was always on. Even with the oxygen, she would walk from the kitchen to the hallway and sitdown. Then after a few muster the energy to walk from the hallway to the bathroom. Then repeat to get to the den, or the bedroom, etc. All this after she survived breast cancer, chemo and radiation, and double masectomy. At this point in my life, I truly understand that it's better to try and fail, than do nothing and admit defeat.
I could not agree more my man.
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