Adding t4 while in hgh necessary?

[hmcyl]

I am currently on 3ius of hgh ed. I've been reading a lot about adding t4 while using hgh. What are your thoughts/ experiences?

 

[Megatron28]

I would get blood work and compare your thyroid results against your baseline before throwing T4 or T3 into the mix.

 

[hmcyl]

Very good advice I agree. But my dumbass didn't get any baseline numbers. I got the hgh to help with post surgery recovery and was so ready to start getting better I just dove right in.

 

[hmcyl]

I've been on for 5 months but the first 4 were generics and I think bunk. Tomorrow will be 4 weeks of pharmacy grade.

 

[Megatron28]

I would still get blood work and see where you are at.

 

[hmcyl]

Would there be a certain time of day that would be best?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Yes. GH slows the thyroid down. It is common when beginning treatment for AGHD that the doc suggests optimizing the thyroid simultaneously. As Megatron said only blood work will tell you for sure where your levels are at.

"So we want elevated T3 levels when we take GH, or we wont be getting ANYWHERE NEAR the full anabolic effect of our injectable GH without enough T3. And now we know that not only do we need the additional T3, but we actually want the CONVERSION process of T4 into T3 to take place, because its the presence of those mediator enzymes that will allow the T3 to be synergistic with GH, instead of being inhibitory as is seen when T3 is simply added to a GH cycle. And remember, we dont only want T3 levels high, but we want types 1 and 2 deiodinase to get us there- and when we take supplemental T3, that just doesn't happen all that happens is the type 3 deiodinase enzyme shows up and negates the beneficial effects of the T3 when we combine it with GH."

Use T4 for as long as you're on HGH

Use 100mcg per day of T4, (approximately 25% of T4 converts to T3).

Most guys use more HGH than they need. 2-3 iu's of HGH is not a low dose IMO. HGH is NOT an instant gratification drug like AAS. Though you may experience it's fat burning effect within a month of use, don't expect to notice it's muscle building effect unless you plan to run for a year or more non stop.

How did you come up with this?

From the questions and concerns about HGH I have been reading from members of this board, it seems that the majority are not ready for HGH, and probably never will be.

IMO, UNLESS YOU ARE COMPETING ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, OR ARE OVER THE AGE OF 40, YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS EVEN THINKING ABOUT HGH!!!!

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/104287-supplemental-t4-must-hgh.html

 

[hmcyl]

Thanks guys. I had just got done reading those old posts before I posted. It seems like thoughts on these subjects evolve constantly and I like to get current opinions from experts like the you fine folks and the others here.

 

[jozifp103]

I've been on 5iu of PSL gray tops and last month switched to 5iu of PSL Eurotropin. Total of 8 months on so far and at about the 4 month mark I started getting really bad lethargy. I was reading up on hgh with t4 and found my lethargy could be due to the hgh depleting my body of t4. I added 100mcg of t4 daily a few weeks ago and can already feel an increase in energy levels. I was literally falling asleep at my desk before. Now I remain awake and alert. Also....fat loss has sped back up it seems. It was fast at first then seemed to slow down until I added the t4. Hope this helps bro.

 

[cybrsage]

Should the T4 be taken all at once, or split into an AM and PM dose? If all at once, when is the best time to take it?

 

[Megatron28]

Should the T4 be taken all at once, or split into an AM and PM dose? If all at once, when is the best time to take it?

Here is what Wikipedia says on the Half-life. Based on this I would have to think once a day at your convenience is fine for dosing. I have never used it though. I believe people with Hypothyroidism often take it in the morning with food. Not sure why that is necessary though.

ca. 7 days (in hyperthyroidism 3–4 days, in hypothyroidism 9–10 days)

 

[Gainjin260]

I've been on 5iu of PSL gray tops and last month switched to 5iu of PSL Eurotropin. Total of 8 months on so far and at about the 4 month mark I started getting really bad lethargy. I was reading up on hgh with t4 and found my lethargy could be due to the hgh depleting my body of t4. I added 100mcg of t4 daily a few weeks ago and can already feel an increase in energy levels. I was literally falling asleep at my desk before. Now I remain awake and alert. Also....fat loss has sped back up it seems. It was fast at first then seemed to slow down until I added the t4. Hope this helps bro.

Does PSL carry T4? I did a quick search with no results.

 

[hmcyl]

Thank you joz and mega. These are the type of responses I was hoping for. I haven't noticed any lethargy but I have the t4 ready if I do. Strangely enough I just started noticing the cts sides everyone talks about. My hands are swollen and my forearms feel like I just did wrist curls all the time. I kinda like it.

 

[halfwit]

I've never understood why folks would take T4 if thyroid output is reduced. In fact, I know very few hypothyroidism patients that use T4. Why not skip the whole silly conversion process and go with T3?

 

[Megatron28]

I've never understood why folks would take T4 if thyroid output is reduced. In fact, I know very few hypothyroidism patients that use T4. Why not skip the whole silly conversion process and go with T3?

I don't know many people with Hypothyroidism but the few I do are all on T4. Are you sure about that?

I get what you are saying for these guys. Much less "calculus" involved in just taking T3.

 

[Black Beard]

T4 should be taken on an empty stomach and then wait 1 hour for full absorption. Food and coffee greatly hinder absorption of the hormone. Only for T4 though, T3 is absorbed fine with food. There are some benefits to using T4 and not T3 only.

 

[Black Beard]

T3 and T4?s role in the brain ? Tired Thyroid

http://www.tiredthyroid.com/blog/2016/03/06/synergy-between-thyroid-hormones/



This is a great resource for thyroid information.

 

[Megatron28]

T4 should be taken on an empty stomach and then wait 1 hour for full absorption. Food and coffee greatly hinder absorption of the hormone. Only for T4 though, T3 is absorbed fine with food. There are some benefits to using T4 and not T3 only.

Thanks!

 

[Black Beard]

T4 absorption can be further increased by taking it on an empty stomach before bed. The decreased peristalsis during sleep lets the levothyroxine spend more time in the lower GI tract to be absorbed.

 

[halfwit]

I don't know many people with Hypothyroidism but the few I do are all on T4. Are you sure about that?

I get what you are saying for these guys. Much less "calculus" involved in just taking T3.

Yeah, I usually see them started with a mix of the two, then it's just straight up T3. Again though, this is one of the areas that I only have a surface understanding of.

T3 and T4?s role in the brain ? Tired Thyroid

Synergy Between Thyroid Hormones ? Thyroid Fact or Fiction?



This is a great resource for thyroid information.

Interesting. So the point of T4 is to limit the amount of T3 converted. My question though, is what if the conversion is already low due to external (AAS/GH) influences? Wouldn't that be counterproductive?