Advanced cycles: 2g plus, low test

[Uso]

I was looking and chatting with some BBer friends of mine over some of the more " advanced" cycles and different combinations; mostly pre-contest cycles. My biggest question is what kind of mass is lost whether (water retention or quality) from dropping test low? I have ran tren/deca before with little issues, I am very androgen sensitive though which is the main reason for wanting to drop test. Main goal is to lean out while gaining slowly, so obviously not dropping to a show ready BF.
Thinking of running this cycle:
Test P 250mg/wk
Tren A 500mg/wk
Deca 300mg/wk
Mast 700mg/wk

6wks
Winny 50mg ed
Adrol 25mg ed
halo 5 mg ed


clen 120mcg 3day on 2 off

gh 5-8iu pwo
slin 15iu pwo

Again biggest question is what do y'all notice when dropping test low, either physique/mental sides/mood/libido etc. Other then that opinions on EQ, I used to run it all the time but combating HCT levels was a concern; might just throw it in again and go donate blood more frequently.

diet monitored by 3J

 

[Teutonic]

2 19 nors ?
w winny and a bombs ?

Stats and cycle history ?

 

[Uso]

Sorry thought I had posted that... phone post.
5'9"
200lb
24

Looking to be in competitive shape, may compete but don't have any desire to get on stage as of now.
Been on trt since 20 due to a trainer giving me ph when 16 and then willimgly pressured to do aas when in football. Most of my cycles were strictly performance enhancement: a weight class or certain speed and agility had to be kept high! Again weight gain was never a priority. As of now my goals are physique. Started at 213 and have dropped significant amount of body fat and goal weight is to gain 2lbs a week.
History
Phs/orals/ when young. (big mistake younger crowd)
17- test e 400mg 14wks, nolva clomid pct
18- test e 400mg 16wks, Eq 600mg 13wks, nolva pct
19- test e 500mg 16wks, var 50mg 6wks, nolva
19- test p 450mg 15wks, winny 50mg, mast 350mg15wk no pct
20- cruise 250mg test e(doctor monitored)
20-blast test e 750, deca 800, dbol 50mg-75mg,
21-blast test p 800, adrol 50mg
22- blast test e 750mg, tren e 600mg
22- blast test 1000mg deca 600mg tren 350mg
23- test p 700, tren a 350, halotest 20mg
Now-
Test p 700mg
Mast 700mg
Tren a 350mg
Winny 350mg
Gh 2iu
Slin pwo 10iu
And of course I have on hand cycle support.

 

[Teutonic]

Wow

Lot s of gearage for a young dude and a lot right now.

I m not qualified to answer your question as I have never done anything nearly as high as that...sorry.

What do you estimate your life expectancy to be...seriously ?. You have got to know this WILL LEAD TO RAMIFICATIONS...right ? Is it worth some plastic statues ? I do not even havemine anymore....

I do wish you well though.. post up a pic....

 

[Uso]

I appreciate the honesty, yes I do know of ramifications. I do not ever plan on pushing past this as of cycle mgs. Which probably seems like bs but I have many competitor friends who double my mgs... I feel it becomes more of a crutch at that point. Like I have stated I am monitored by a family friend who is my doctor, his son is a diabetic and is also on gh. Though I do run a lot of gear I would absolutely stop if any health concern were to arise. I am certainly not that guy who thinks "well if I die I'll be big as f**k at least."
As far as problems I have already seen, obviously low T. High BP which is now normal.

This isn't for competitions, it is for myself. I wish I could say I have a goal weight but I feel once I am there I will only want to improve. I do believe in longevity and that this is not a short term process.

My biggest improvement has been getting a professional to monitor my diet, leaps and bounds of improvement physique wise and overall feeling great.

I will definitely post a pic!! Just not now, I'm more of a show when I've hit my finished goal. As of now that goal is 220, so if I do my part in 10wks! Transformations have always been a huge motivator for myself... If I can provide that same motivation that would be an amazing feeling.

Teutonic: I've always enjoyed your post and responses... Short simple with a little a direct message. And you are certainly a inspiration... You're proof of longevity!

 

[Megatron28]

How do/did you pay for all of this? You are talking about big dollars for a kid to come up with.

 

[Uso]

Always have had a decent job I guess. Never dealt, or have done anything shady to provide funds. A lot of things are provided to me through sponsorships supplements, gym dues, clothes.
I'd say food almost equals gear if not more ha.

 

[Teutonic]

post a pic

 

[Uso]

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[Megatron28]

Is that acne on your chest and back?

 

[Uso]

unfortunately yes.
Actually just got a new soap Dr. Bonners has helped a lot fellas. My other soap was drying my skin out just causing worse break outs.

But yea, orals have always made me breakout badly. Inj never too bad some here and there but never really noticeable.

 

[Megatron28]

unfortunately yes.
Actually just got a new soap Dr. Bonners has helped a lot fellas. My other soap was drying my skin out just causing worse break outs.

But yea, orals have always made me breakout badly. Inj never too bad some here and there but never really noticeable.

How high is your estradiol?

 

[Uso]

Last time I checked slightly elevated (to be honest can't even remotely remember) was told not too worry. But I will actually be ordering a test from your sig. next week.
Main concern is a mild flare up of gyno.

 

[Chicago712]

bodybuilder or fagsique?

 

[Austinite]

bodybuilder or ***sique?

I assume that was a typo, Chicago. Edit your own post please.

 

[Uso]

Not really going for either, I prefer the old school bodybuilder look. No desire to be 300lb

Again like I said in the beginning, sure I wanted to be big; but performance was always the goal originally. Now obviously I still want speed, mobility and strength but my focus is building my physique.

So I'll let those who are experts decide whether I'm a physique or bodybuilder.

 

[Teutonic]

I cannot endorse your doses as every young un on here is gonna do it

HOWEVER.....

U look very very good son....BETTER than I ever did.

.....and I respect ur not taking issue w Chicago s typo...lot s of hormonal fluctuations going on here..I too am guilty of type Os...
Mind them connective tissue s as believe me...I sound like corn flakes in the morning...lol

Good work.

 

[Uso]

I to do not condone using this amount; minimalist is the best approach!

For anyone young and anyone at all, my biggest advise is get your diet planned or monitored! As seen I've taken quite a bit of AAS, nothing and I do mean NOTHING has yielded me the results I have received from dialing in my diet.
For awhile I now see I used AAS as a crutch, I stayed fairly lean and got strong as hell while eating garbage. If I'd had my diet like I do now, I can't even imagine what I'd look like and where my strength would be.

Use these compounds to there fullest extent, but more importantly use diet and training to there full potential you'll be shocked at what you see.

I challenge you to spend $200 this cycle and get a diet plan, give up a vial or two or your expensive Var kick starter. Even if you feel it's dialed in, post it up and I'm sure you'll get some positive feedback/changes.

I personally can endorse 3J, I'm excited to be one of his transformations haha. Seriously though he has improved my cycle two-fold. Chowing down 4700cal is no joke though ha

 

[Pacific Rim]

You have room to grow with less gear, you can put on another 30lbs with half that gear.
Maybe you are in a rush, but a great physique is built over time.

I would drop the orals and replace them with more growth and some igf if you have the cash.

If you go with this cycle, I will definitely like to read about your experience.
I have done 2g+ cycles, and they are great but over rated and can come with lots of side effects.

 

[Uso]

I am currently over 2g now, the original thought is to drop test levels add deca for joint/increased mass and up tren.

I have been curious about igf just don't think the ones out today are legit or are severely under dosed, I've seen guys inj .25mg and hardly seen a better pump. Maybe I'm just skeptical though.

Love ghrp6 for the appetite though.