almost done my second cycle, wish to have some opinions about my third

[harveus]

so after a 12 week first cycle with 250 mlg of test combo ( sustanon) per week plus 50 to 80 ( 80 in last 4 weeks ) mlg of anavar per day, wich i was relatively ok with the resoults this summer

i am now at the end of my 7 week second cycle i'm using the 250 test combo used above same as above 1 vial per week plus a mixture of primo and winny in relatively low doeses ( primo 300 - winny 120 ) per week and so far i'm also quite pleased with the resoults

now for my third cycle, i think i will begin end of december, to mid jannuary depends on pct i would like to keep doing this only upping the primo to 400 and the winny to 160 per week keeping the 250 test combo and doing 8 weeks instead of 7 and see were i can go from there. toughts?

 

[Milton]

we cannot recommend anything without your personal stats, what are they please?

 

[3J]

i agree.. what are your stats??
age
weight
height
bodyfat

 

[oldmusclemike]

Thanks Milton and 3j, stats are one of my prerequisites for giving advice, most of the time. It is really a pet peeve. I don't get it why the newbies don't get used to giving their stats.

Ya know maybe you've seen, that even though most of you guys are aware of my stats to some degree I post mine up front when I have some Q's concerning my cycle and other things relating to ME. For me my Q's aren't just for those Vets or others that know me.

 

[harveus]

guys i laready gave them in my first cycle thread, there isn't some sort of database or anything to record them so anyone can see them at all time?

anyway, courrently 6,0 feet 182 cm , 190 lbs or 86 kg, 8 % bf al around. 26 years old

plannig to drop maybe to 7% and add another 16 een lbs or so by the end of the next cycle

 

[harveus]

bump.

sorry guys but i must know if 8 weeks at 400 mlg of primo plus 160 of winny and 250 of sust is enought to make me gain thos 15 + lbis i need while shedding the little fat i will probably still have after i finished this one, next week. i'm preparing for a competition next year i have to be at least 93 kilos ( 206+ lbs ) at 7% or under, and i must stay that, so primo is my only choice here, slow and steady gains, but gains i can keep. only problem this stuff costs like a bitch, so i must be sure i'm not under dosing or runnig it too short for my goals, please send some feedback

 

[Roush]

your wanting to put on 15 pounds of pure muscle while also lowering your body fat % ,, and your selecting 'Primo' as your go to compound !?

your goal is unrealistic unless you have great genetics ,, its definitely not realistic with Primo . Its a finisher compound thats works well synegretically with other compounds but its NOT a very anabolic muscle building compound.

if your Goal is lean slabs of muscle mass go with something like: 600+ mg Masteron / 500+ mg Tren / 250 mg test

you'll stay dry and lean (diet dependent) with enough anabolic kick there to add muscle mass . Primo will not do that for you

 

[harveus]

your wanting to put on 15 pounds of pure muscle while also lowering your body fat % ,, and your selecting 'Primo' as your go to compound !?

your goal is unrealistic unless you have great genetics ,, its definitely not realistic with Primo . Its a finisher compound thats works well synegretically with other compounds but its NOT a very anabolic muscle building compound.

if your Goal is lean slabs of muscle mass go with something like: 600+ mg Masteron / 500+ mg Tren / 250 mg test

you'll stay dry and lean (diet dependent) with enough anabolic kick there to add muscle mass . Primo will not do that for you

i don't know man, i was asking becouse with this cycle in less than 7 weeks ( this is the 6th) i have put on a good 10 lbs of muscle since at the same time i dropped like what 3 points of body fat all around? i had the plicometry done every two weeks and the scale does not lie, i put on 6 kilos of muscle and shed a GOOD amount of fat. this on 300 mlg of primo and 120 winny plus 250 sust per week and on a fairly restriced caloirc deficit ( mantainance or a little less)

so you know i tough, maybe i CAN get a way with increasing the doses as little as that to add another 15-16 and drop another single digit of fat %. i don't wan't to use the super max heavy artillery if i can avoid it...

 

[Roush]

muscle gains are not 'Linear' , things begin to drop off . if you gain 10 pounds on your second cycle . by time you get to your fourth or fifth cycle you may only gain a pound or two (in muscle ,, you may gain plenty of water weight though) .

fuck I wish it was a linear trend . I put on 30 pounds my first cycle. if it was linear and I put on another 30 pounds on my 10th cycle (and every cycle before that) ,, heck I'd be 350 pounds right now and ripped.

 

[harveus]

muscle gains are not 'Linear' , things begin to drop off . if you gain 10 pounds on your second cycle . by time you get to your fourth or fifth cycle you may only gain a pound or two (in muscle ,, you may gain plenty of water weight though) .

fuck I wish it was a linear trend . I put on 30 pounds my first cycle. if it was linear and I put on another 30 pounds on my 10th cycle (and every cycle before that) ,, heck I'd be 350 pounds right now and ripped.

really? damn... hm i think i will see how mutch i can put with the third one if use those dooses and than if i have not reached the goal i start with ther havy stuff. it was sweet to think i could go on like this i mean , i had like literally 0 sides whatsowver with both of this cycles, pct was breez too. hmmm ,seemed too good to be true

 

[Roush]

really? damn... hm i think i will see how mutch i can put with the third one if use those dooses and than if i have not reached the goal i start with ther havy stuff. it was sweet to think i could go on like this i mean , i had like literally 0 sides whatsowver with both of this cycles, pct was breez too. hmmm ,seemed too good to be true

primo is a very good clean compound with very little sides.. I've ran it for a few cycles as well as taken it just to add to my TRT protocol (just got too pricey to run for months at a time). If your new to running gear your androgen receptors are all 'fresh' and 'virgin' , so things like Primo can have a pretty good effect on you right now in regards to growth and new stimulus.
but at a point things will need to be dialed up a few notches to get same or similar results

 

[harveus]

primo is a very good clean compound with very little sides.. I've ran it for a few cycles as well as taken it just to add to my TRT protocol (just got too pricey to run for months at a time). If your new to running gear your androgen receptors are all 'fresh' and 'virgin' , so things like Primo can have a pretty good effect on you right now in regards to growth and new stimulus.
but at a point things will need to be dialed up a few notches to get same or similar results

i see. that's what i wanted to know, thanks. anyway i still think i'm gonna see how far i can go with the very mild stuff at least for the third cycle, after all i'm not going for the super heavy weights here, i need to compete in the men's physique category, wich compratively to what you guys probably do is quite a bit easyer and forgiving stat wise. in fact i think i could very well stay a little over 205 and call it a day. we will see. thanks again for the imput tough. i didn't know this stuff had diminishing returns so soon...

 

[Milton]

if it was linear and I put on another 30 pounds on my 10th cycle (and every cycle before that) ,, heck I'd be 350 pounds right now and ripped.

I thought you were?

 

[blakey]

I thought you were?

Speaking of 350 pounds where's halfwit gone ??? Missing that fella

 

[Milton]

still planning on starting your cycle end of December?

 

[harveus]

still planning on starting your cycle end of December?

last pin will be tomorrow, i will have the complete estimation of the resoults of the cycle by the end of next week when i will take measures and do the plicometry again. i decided to end it a bit early ( week 7 instead of 8 ) so at the very least we are talking mid jenuary for the next

 

[globalet93]

yes

 

[globalet93]

up

 

[harveus]

ok,little update, i decided to prolong a little my courrent cycle ( this week will be the last series of pins, starting tomorrow ) following Gainjin260 advice, i upped the dose of sust ( to 300 ) and kept the primo and winny to 400 - 160 .

i have done this for the last 3 weeks of the cycle ( out of 8 ) next sunday i will update with some pics for the end resoluts ( pre pct ) and next cycle in late december to mid jenuary ( depends on blod tests after pct ) i will do exactly the same cycle i did now ( only starting with the courrent doeses, for another 8 weeks. ) hopefoully by march/april i'll be at the 205 + / 7-8% bf mark goal, from what i have now