Anavar - Primobolan -clen cycle for lean muscle gains (10-15 is target)

[gamosauros]

Greetings,
i came first to the nationals IFBB Contest in Classic Teen Bodybuilding . Now i wish to take my self to a new level.My stats : 1.90 height , weighting 86kg at 9-10 % BF. My target is next year to be 20-25 lbs heavier on lean muscle. Meaning ,i seek to gain about 10-15 LBS of lean muscle (or more if possible),that will remain after the PCT during this cycle.Anavar-Primobolan - Clen(8 week cycle). I will post the diet that im thinking of following below:
Morning : 4 eggs (24 grams of protein )
+30 mins : 45 grams of protein shake with water +quacker( aproxx 60 grams of prot)
+2 hrs : 45 grams of protein with water
+2-3 hrs : 300 grams of chicken + salad + 3/4 cup of rice ( aproxx 110 grams of prot or sth less)
+2 hrs: 30 grams of protein (thats 30mins before training)
post workout:30 grams of protein shake with water
+1 hr :200 grams of chicken + salad + 3/4 cup of rice ( aproxx 75 grams of prot)
20 mins b4 sleep 30 grams of protein
total protein aproxx :405 grams of protein

My training is something i will not link below ill just describe the training days
Monday:Chest -Calves -Abs 20 min cardio
Tuesday:Back - Forearms 20 min cardio
Wed:Shoulders - Traps 20 min cardio
Thursday: BIs-TRIs 20 min cardio Forearms
Friday: Leggs - Calves -Abs 20 min cardio
SAT SUN REST
would it be a good idea to lessen cardio from 5 days to 3 since my target is to gain some mass on the selected cycle ive decided to do?
i do understand that Test should be a base on any cycle but i am 20 years old and i do not want to mess up with my testosterone production.
i know that i am young for cycles . as you see above i know what i am doing and i have decided that i cannot wait 3 more years to achieve my dream results.i remind you that my main goal is to get 10-15 LBS of lean muscle that WILL remain after the PCT.I will respect your opinions and waiting forward to them anxiously.

 

[bulldogOG]

i do understand that Test should be a base on any cycle but i am 20 years old and i do not want to mess up with my testosterone production.

as you see above i know what i am doing and i have decided that i cannot wait 3 more years to achieve my dream results.i remind you that my main goal is to get 10-15 LBS of lean muscle that WILL remain after the PCT.I will respect your opinions and waiting forward to them anxiously.

Dude, If you heart is absolutely set on running some gear, and want to keep it lean, drop the var and primo and run some Prop @ 100mg EOD for 10 weeks. Your likely not to get any more help cause people around here bleed out of their ears when they see someone come around and talk about running var/primo or anything else without a test base. In fact, they'll tell you to run TEST ONLY for a first cycle. I suggest you do some reading in the Anabolic Steroid section and read up on some of the sticky's that are posted up there.

 

[clsmth700]

i do understand that Test should be a base on any cycle but i am 20 years old and i do not want to mess up with my testosterone production.
i know that i am young for cycles . as you see above i know what i am doing and i have decided that i cannot wait 3 more years to achieve my dream results.i remind you that my main goal is to get 10-15 LBS of lean muscle that WILL remain after the PCT.I will respect your opinions and waiting forward to them anxiously.

DUDE you have got it wrong !!! Both Primo & Var will shut down your natural T !!!

so your logic of not taking T to avoid this does not make any sense, actually it is the opposite !

While Primo and Var are mild in sides and E conversion they will shut you down!

so you should be on T base to compensate for natural T especially at your age T levels

HOWEVER your too young to run anyways!

 

[pikiki]

Quote: "as you see above i know what i am doing"
If you know what you doing you shoukd know too that Primo for 8 weeks is just a waste. many many times vets here and every other board you go will tell you 16 weeks should be the best period or more for Primo. You need to read more so " YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO"

 

[beatz]

everyone has pretty much summed it up in reference to your steroid cycle but that diet is also terrible in my opinion.

WHO (world health organisation) have released some good information on the body's demand for protein/amino acids per sitting, basically a lot of the protein u intake will be pissed out (meaning u are going to fuck your kidneys), if u do get on the gear protein synthesis will increase so u cld probs up it around the 380g mark at your size and increase as u are gaining size during cycle, if u want to up your intake of protein u need to look at alternatives to protein shakes such as casein - u cld get low fat cottage cheese and add that. high protein will also cause a negative calcium balance so maybe read a bit on the relationship between the 2; u are having 5 protein shakes a day? such a lazy diet, basically no fat in the diet which will increase natural T production and EFA's are a must, white rice or brown rice?? if u want to gain lean muscle mass u cld do it quite easy by improving your diet and avg around 1kg a month with minimum bf% change so 25lb is a reasonable goal doing it natural.

I don't believe many people reading your situation will condone the use of steroids. If you want help with anything though keep asking, people take time out of there day answering questions in posts to help u not themselves.

In a few years time if u stay away from the juice and commit yourself to diet, training and rest you will be far more happy I guarantee.

 

[gamosauros]

i appreciate the interest , the "i know what i am doing" part was refering to training sessions and diet . i do not have experience on steroids .thats is the main reason i am here asking for advice . i know that test should be the main compund of one cycle but i have a thing in my head that doesnt want me to be on test (dont know what , u can call it however you want ) all i want is to be 10-15kgs leaner next year this time . on natural methos you cannot achieve gains higher than 5 kg of muscle in a year . can i achiev 10-15 lb of lean muscle on this cycle as described? if yes , what changes should i make ? i will ask my coach about the test thing , but he will be negative i know of that .

 

[ilovejuice]

Well I don't think your couch is going make your dick work after u r done with this cycle it's just a bad Idea...

 

[beatz]

I love how he ignores my comment and still seems to claim he knows what he is doing in reference to diet and training, the training log isnt very comprehensive so it is quite difficult to make an assumption in regards to that topic and diet is fail.

Oh and the statement only 5kg a year i don't know who told u that although i gained over 20kg from the age of 20-23 natty throughout summer hold sub 10%bf and never been over 13% so i guess that comment is out the window

 

[Bulldog2103]

A combination of test and tren will put on the weight you aim for as well as keep you lean. Tren is heavy duty compared to what you have used, but it does similar things, it just happens to be more potent. Not sure why you are afraid of test, it will not make you fat or bloat you if you run it with the proper synergistic compounds, var or primo alongside it would do the trick.

 

[pikiki]

A combination of test and tren will put on the weight you aim for as well as keep you lean. Tren is heavy duty compared to what you have used, but it does similar things, it just happens to be more potent. Not sure why you are afraid of test, it will not make you fat or bloat you if you run it with the proper synergistic compounds, var or primo alongside it would do the trick.

This is a good advice for someone who has run few cycles but for a first cycle no way to tell this kid to do test/tren. He don`t even know how test feels and you telling to do tren lol...

 

[gamosauros]

A combination of test and tren will put on the weight you aim for as well as keep you lean. tren is heavy duty compared to what you have used, but it does similar things, it just happens to be more potent. Not sure why you are afraid of test, it will not make you fat or bloat you if you run it with the proper synergistic compounds, var or primo alongside it would do the trick.

mate to be honest i do not want to mess up with test due to stunt growth, and i dont think it is quite wize to mess up my natural test levels before 21 or more , i might be wrong , if so tell me . i know test would do the trick along with var or/and primo , and i would achieve results better than i ever dreamed of . pikiki you are right i dont know how test feels and since ive heard tren is 5 times worse than test i wouldnt try it .if someone can advice a different cycle than the given one that can grant me the results i want (without ending up bald ,or impotent) then i will be happy to check it!

 

[JasonAP]

Well I don't think your couch is going make your dick work after u r done with this cycle it's just a bad Idea...

lol

 

[pikiki]

mate to be honest i do not want to mess up with test due to stunt growth, and i dont think it is quite wize to mess up my natural test levels before 21 or more , i might be wrong , if so tell me . i know test would do the trick along with var or/and primo , and i would achieve results better than i ever dreamed of . pikiki you are right i dont know how test feels and since ive heard tren is 5 times worse than test i wouldnt try it .if someone can advice a different cycle than the given one that can grant me the results i want (without ending up bald ,or impotent) then i will be happy to check it!

This will prolly my last post here, listen man no one here IMO will tell you to do any cycle "WITHOUT TEST" any other compound will SHUT down your natty test period. If want do reaserch on Pro hormones I personally tried but not like the end results even PHs will affect your natty test. Good luck trying to find a miracle out there without test on a cycle. just my .2 !!!

 

[pikiki]

Be safe kid

 

[gamosauros]

Be safe kid

i appreciate your honesty my friend . could i ask for your opinion about what cycle i should follow to achieve the results i want? i need 15-20 kgs of lean muscle till next june. lets say i could use test.what would you stack (2-3 month cycle) to get those lean slabs of meat without ending up bald or impotent. and last what consequences would test have on me (permanent ones) on my natural test levels after 1 or 2 or 5 years.the thing that im afraid of with test is the chance that my natural test wont come back to the levels it used to be before the cycle.
I am a newbie here seeking for honest advice

 

[1hawaiin]

I love how he ignores my comment and still seems to claim he knows what he is doing in reference to diet and training, the training log isnt very comprehensive so it is quite difficult to make an assumption in regards to that topic and diet is fail.

Oh and the statement only 5kg a year i don't know who told u that although i gained over 20kg from the age of 20-23 natty throughout summer hold sub 10%bf and never been over 13% so i guess that comment is out the window

U no ur lying 40lbs of muscle pls.... Hahaha