anavar, tren enthanate, and clen product?

DJcrew2000

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I've been doing tons of reading, and I really would like some feedback on what I think should be the perfect summertime cycle. I was thinking... anavar 60mg ed for 12 weeks, tren enthanate 400mg weekly starting week 3 through week 10(8 weeks). Arimidex 25mg eod week 10 through week 14. Also I would like to throw in clen, and do a 2weeks on 2 weeks off protocall. I feel this would give me very good muscle gain, and very dry lean proportions. Also my hgt is 5'9, 178, about 14% bf, and I'm 33 yrs old.
 
Doesn't sound like you know very much about tren, or it's properties, so I wouldn't mess around with it. What's your previous cycle experience?
 
Seems like this is your first cycle because for one thing you have no test as far as I can see. Swap the Tren E with Test and do a 12 week cycle at 500mg a wk. Get all your research in because 1 mistake with pinning can really be a bitch. Know your sides and everything that is going to be going on with your body. Get your workout routine down and your diet. Then start your cycle.
 
I appreciate the comments. This is not my first cycle. Years ago i dealt with the pins on a cycle of deca, so that's not an issue. Last year i took the oral prohormone of tren and experienced all the usual sides. Night sweats, vivid dreams, fat melted off, great gains. I used that prohormone 2 years in a row, so I know how my body can handle it. Also Tren is said to be 5 times more potent then test, so why would I take a higher dosage of Test to achieve similar results that I could obtain with a lower dosage of Tren knowing I can handle it? I'm very aware of what everything is, the reason I want to go with the enthanate is because the ace is every day injections to keep blood levels stable, the reason I want to go with Anavar (var) is because it is mild and will assist in keeping the gains I make without bloat or aromitization, so please with all respect when i say this,without telling me what cycle I should do tell me what is wrong with this one?
 
What I believe is wrong with this one is do you know how to combat sides from tren? Do you understand with Tren that you MIGHT have a limp dick during cycle and maybe pct or further? There are many complications other than just thinking you know everything. You can use the search button to research tren cycles and their sides. Also tren is something I believe should be used later down the road. Get a few AAS cycles in and TONS of research and you might be G2G
 
Went back and did some rereading, i do apologize for putting arimidex instead of clomid or nolvadex as a post cycle therapy (pct). If there are any suggestions to this please give me your best opinion.
 
Tren is a potent agent which is 5 time s ???more as strong as test...and likely to cause you some serious grief w/o a testosternon base...fukked my ass all up and I was on a test base...
Oral prohormone Tren is not imo in same league as injectable tren which is I believe is for CATTLE..advanced or serious cat s only imo...
12 weeks of Anavar maybe a bit long too...
How bout 500 a week of test e c or s. 12- 16 weeks
Anavar at 50 mg s for 4-weeks...in the beginning and maybe at the end ??
If your hell bent on doing this..
Throw in a clean diet and some aerobics you ll be shredded..
Or ???
 
DJ - like i have said a million times, most people on these boards do one of two things. Speak from experience, or just outta their ass because they heard it somewhere else.

That's why I always say this game is about trial and error. So many people will tell you Tren is this crazy hormone that need not be 'fucked with without years of experience and cycles'. Fuck that. Will it create some different sides? Of course. Can it give you limp noodle? Maybe. But using that as a basis for not doing something at all in life is retarded. I know plenty of guys who take a gram of test a week and lose libido AND have ED issues. I also know guys who get jacked to the gills on Tren alone and never have they had more of a sex drive. I still know idiots that eat Drols at 200mg/d for 12 weeks and have no issues with liver regen while using LIV52.

Hell, i could walk out to my mailbox and get hit by the ice cream man. IS limp dick w Tren more likely than me getting hit by the ice cream man? Maybe (you don't know this fucker). But that doesn't mean it happens. Again, if you wanna try something, take the knowledge you have gained personally, and thru others experiences, and get on it. If you try this shit, and it sucks, and you get limp noodle, but get jacked... do you even care. I mean seriously, if you goals are to get jacked and you can deal with a semi hard noodle for a lil bit, is that something you can deal with? You can't get ahead in this game by worrying about what others worry about. You gotta worry about you.

Rant over, here's my thoughts. I think Anavar (var) is weak. I would drop it. I have done it at 120mg/d for 8 weeks with decent results. to me, 300mg/w of Tren Ace is worlds beyond Anavar (var) at any dose.

Also, i think you would be smart to at least add 250mg/w of test. Not cause of possible limp dick, but because i think they are extremely synergistic together. And I always like to have some test in there. Again, thats me. You don't have to do that.

As for going with Enan. Thats your call. I agree that no prohormone can stand toe to toe with the real compound, but i don't have proof of that. Just my thought. But if you have experienced the sides you stated, which to me are the most you ever get with Tren if you get any, than doing Enan is great cause of less pinning. Maybe something like this:

Week 1-12 Test 250mg/w
Week 1-12 Tren E 400mg/w
All that other shit you mentioned.

I don't like Clen so i won't comment on that. I think you can get ripped without that other crap. Diet and cardio are fine to me. Also, i would use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout the whole cycle at 250iu E3D. Believe me it will make you feel much better. If you do have limp noodle, make sure you have Cialis on hand. Thats one thing i find so amusing about people when they talk about NONO on deca or Tren alone. These two compounds will do amazing things in regards to building muscle. We have access to all the other ancillaries that are suggested with every cycle but may not be needed. Why don't any of these guys think of ED drugs as ancillaries. I know I always had that shit on hand. That way, there is never a chance of worry.

Hope this helps. And remember, don't be scared to do something cause some guy on the internet says it its a bad thing. First off he prolly don't know shit. Second, who cares, he ain't you. Make you plan, stick to it, and make adjustments next time.

P.S. Since you are several cycles in, and 33ys old. Im not gonna get into the fact that youre only 178lbs. To me this is your biggest problems and i wouldn't touch another thing until you get your eating down. But again, thats me. This is your deal. Good luck.
 
I've been doing tons of reading, and I really would like some feedback on what I think should be the perfect summertime cycle. I was thinking... ana Anavar (var) 60mg ed for 12 weeks, tren enthanate 400mg weekly starting week 3 through week 10(8 weeks). Arimidex 25mg eod week 10 through week 14. Also I would like to throw in clen, and do a 2weeks on 2 weeks off protocall. I feel this would give me very good muscle gain, and very dry lean proportions. Also my hgt is 5'9, 178, about 14% bf, and I'm 33 yrs old.

test should be in any cycle IMO.

never run a oral , even ana Anavar (var) 12 weeks. your livers health isnt worth the risk.

start any injectable at the start of the cycle instead of after the oral.

do more research on post cycle therapy (pct) , at 33 if you screw that up you might not ever get your natural test back.

in conclusion even if you have done a cycle before thats not a good 2nd cycle,try test eth or cyp at 400-600 mg a week for 10-12 weeks .throw in some Anavar (var) if you wish , maybe week 1-6. or if you want more Anavar (var) the run it 1-4 and run it again starting 2 weeks before the last test injection and finishing 2 weeks after the last test injection =4 weeks at the end and 8 total weeks of Anavar (var) .imo your not ready for tren and with those stats you dont need tren to make gains , if you cant grow on the cycle i reccomended with your stats then your not getting enough food/rest or your training is wrong and the tren wont fix any of that.
 
I'd like to sincerely thank you guys for taking the time and reading over my idea instead of blanket bashing it. Just for info the reason I keep my weight to a low number is cause I like to stay lighter for playing sports. (basketball) My highest training weight has been 198lbs at 15% bf. No sports just lifting and dieting. Last year on the oral pro hormone tren I weighed upwards of 187 and was 8% bf, very lean for me. This year I wanted to stay at a lighter weght and work on getting bf down to 6%. Hence the thought of running clen. Anyway if you guys have any further suggestions or comments all are welcome. I think I got a direction now. thx
 
Fuck tren-all my boys run it and bitch all the time the sides suck ass-but then they say nothing ever makes them as strong or as ripped..........people can so they don't get any sides-but anyone I've ever seen on tren is aggressive as hell. Maybe that's a good thing......but as others have said with what ur looking for something that is actually 10x as potent as test just may not be necessary.

I hold 0 water on prop-i mean 0 and my boys all say the same thing-it makes them vacular......on another note when on test and I eat clean the fat melts off.......so what I'm saying is man up-run some prop for a couple weeks like 3-4 and if ur not happy with where ur going then throw in some tren ace.......that way if u don't like the tren u can drop it and it will be out in a week. If u love it run tren e next time bro. As for the pinning thing.......well u just gotta get over it
 
Everything I have said has been my personal opinion. I stated this through out my suggestions. Do as you please, but I am just giving advice as I know it. Its not set in stone or need to be taken in to consideration. This is what I believe you should do in what facts you have given to me. I also believe in what RJ is saying and what I have said before. You need to get the diet and workout routine down before you start anything. Also I would recommend doing this for a couple months to see if you can stick to it and are dedicated enough.
 
Last year i took the oral prohormone of tren and skilled all the common sides. Night worries, vivid aspirations, fat dissolved off, large gains. I utilized that prohormone 2 years in a strip, so I understand how my body can handle it.
 
All great suggestions, I've made up my mind, and have placed my order. I'm going to run exactly what RJ said. 250 test e weekly for 12 weeks, 300-400 tren e weekly for 12 weeks, I'm going to experiment with the icyplex(clen, yohimbine) 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off starting week 5 through 12. See how I feel at that point. Also I'm running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250iu e/3/d throughout, and using clomid as a final post cycle therapy (pct). I'm feeling really good about this, and I can post updates on the "my cycle" forum starting May 1st. Just a side note for Liftbig, I know you were just giving your opinion, and I thank you for that. Fact is I'm not some rookie weight lifter who is clueless about diet and exercise. I have a great diet, and have made it a hobby for me to work on transformation of self. I've been lifting weights consistently since high school. Last year I benched 315 for 5 at 182lbs and leg pressed 1200lbs on the sled 10 times. I choose not to get too big, bodybuilder like, as to stay athletic, plus let's just be honest I love to eat in the winter. :rolleyes:
 
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test should be in any cycle IMO.

never run a oral , even anavar 12 weeks. your livers health isnt worth the risk.

start any injectable at the start of the cycle instead of after the oral.

do more research on pct , at 33 if you screw that up you might not ever get your natural test back.

in conclusion even if you have done a cycle before thats not a good 2nd cycle,try test eth or cyp at 400-600 mg a week for 10-12 weeks .throw in some Anavar (var) if you wish , maybe week 1-6. or if you want more Anavar (var) the run it 1-4 and run it again starting 2 weeks before the last test injection and finishing 2 weeks after the last test injection =4 weeks at the end and 8 total weeks of var.imo your not ready for tren and with those stats you dont need tren to make gains , if you cant grow on the cycle i reccomended with your stats then your not getting enough food/rest or your training is wrong and the tren wont fix any of that.

Agreed!
 
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