Andromass as "Test" base for Dianabol cycle?

If you're already running Dbol why not just wait and get test? No offense to the reps but I don't think this is a good idea. I would shelf the Dbol and if you are absolutely going to run something then run 2 of the PH's (AM or AH?). I just don't think it's a good use of a great oral like Dbol on something like this. Just my $.02.

I was thinking the same exact thing.
 
I don't see an issue with AndroMass at all, but if you can get test then go for it otherwise AM is a perfect option.
 
Thanks to everyone for their input.

I'm still thinking of different cycle variations:

I was planning on 8 caps of AM for 6 weeks, but now I'm thinking of doing 9 caps for 8 weeks to help increase and further solidify gains.

1) Is this a reasonable? Would 8 weeks be too long?

2) Would 8 weeks at 9 caps likely yield greater gains than the 6 week alternative, or does the effectiveness of AM diminish over time... to a point where the added cycle length wouldn't really be worth it??
 
Thanks to everyone for their input.

I'm still thinking of different cycle variations:

I was planning on 8 caps of AM for 6 weeks, but now I'm thinking of doing 9 caps for 8 weeks to help increase and further solidify gains.

1) Is this a reasonable? Would 8 weeks be too long?

2) Would 8 weeks at 9 caps likely yield greater gains than the 6 week alternative, or does the effectiveness of AM diminish over time... to a point where the added cycle length wouldn't really be worth it??

8 weeks is perfect. 9 caps will yield great gains for sure. 8 weeks is usually the true point of diminishing return with orals. Most people believe it's around 4 weeks, but I think they are just used to gaining 10 lbs. in a week earlier on. Past week 4, I'm sure people can plan to put on another 10 lbs. in those coming 4 weeks.
 
Hey man... what's up...

I haven't started the cycle yet. I plan to start in about two weeks. I'd first like to plan a good clean bulking diet for the cycle, and I just haven't had the time to sit down and do it.

By the way, I've read recently that Andromass isn't quite panning out as you guys had hoped... something about the actual conversion to testosterone not really converting to testosterone??

Is the DBOL/AM cycle (AM at 9 caps for 8 weeks, dbol at 25 mgs for 6 weeks) still a good idea, given that AM might be a little more suppressive to natural test level than originally hoped? Will 8 weeks of AM be too hard to recover from?
 
Hey man... what's up...

I haven't started the cycle yet. I plan to start in about two weeks. I'd first like to plan a good clean bulking diet for the cycle, and I just haven't had the time to sit down and do it.

By the way, I've read recently that Andromass isn't quite panning out as you guys had hoped... something about the actual conversion to testosterone not really converting to testosterone??

Is the DBOL/AM cycle (AM at 9 caps for 8 weeks, dbol at 25 mgs for 6 weeks) still a good idea, given that AM might be a little more suppressive to natural test level than originally hoped? Will 8 weeks of AM be too hard to recover from?

You're reading that a bit incorrectly. The confusion started by everyone thinking that we were saying that AM would have all of the same effects as Test, which is not true. The estimated equivalent is based off the anabolic effects of Test and does not include the other effects such as mood, libido, etc.

AM has been working just as planned. I just read a log where the guy gained 18 lbs in 8 weeks and added 5 reps to a previous 1RM. That being said, 8 weeks of AM will not be a difficult PCT with a SERM and other supports.
 
Bottom line is what you are looking for from test. If it's putting on substantial weight and strength increases then AM certainly measures up.
 
Thanks for the replies. I truly always appreciate the quick replies from the PP reps. It's very helpful and one of the reasons I took a look at Andromass and bought three bottles of AM to begin with.

I understand the "anabolic equivalent" comparison. I have to say, however, that I was under the impression that Andromass would produce test-like effects either because it had similar properties to test or because it converted directly to test. The reason I was under this impression was mostly because Primordial Performance touted AM as the "must have test base" for all cycles.

Since Primordial Performance suggests that AM makes for a good "test" base, then it must be similar to testosterone for reasons aside from the fact that they both build muscle. AM's propensity to build muscle does not make it similar to test. It's anabolic potential makes it steroid-like, but if you're going to liken the compound to testosterone, then it should indeed have test like effects. If AM's anabolic potential is the only reason you're likening it to test, why not liken AM to its anabolic equivalent of any other anabolic steroid? Why not compare it to 120 mg/week of DBOL or 350 mg/week of winstrol? Am I missing something?

I'm no expert, but I know that steroid stacks are designed around the unique properties of each steroid, as it's the unique effect of each steroid, and not just its anabolic potential, that helps yield a desired result. I've been planning a DBOL/AM cycle because I believed that each compound had certain properties that, together, would yield a nice result... a somewhat similar result, or perhaps a not too distant second to an actual DBOL/test cycle. I didn't choose to run DBOL with AM simply because they both build muscle.
 
Thanks for the replies. I truly always appreciate the quick replies from the PP reps. It's very helpful and one of the reasons I took a look at Andromass and bought three bottles of AM to begin with.

I understand the "anabolic equivalent" comparison. I have to say, however, that I was under the impression that Andromass would produce test-like effects either because it had similar properties to test or because it converted directly to test. The reason I was under this impression was mostly because Primordial Performance touted AM as the "must have test base" for all cycles.

Since Primordial Performance suggests that AM makes for a good "test" base, then it must be similar to testosterone for reasons aside from the fact that they both build muscle. AM's propensity to build muscle does not make it similar to test. It's anabolic potential makes it steroid-like, but if you're going to liken the compound to testosterone, then it should indeed have test like effects. If AM's anabolic potential is the only reason you're likening it to test, why not liken AM to its anabolic equivalent of any other anabolic steroid? Why not compare it to 120 mg/week of DBOL or 350 mg/week of winstrol? Am I missing something?

I'm no expert, but I know that steroid stacks are designed around the unique properties of each steroid, as it's the unique effect of each steroid, and not just its anabolic potential, that helps yield a desired result. I've been planning a DBOL/AM cycle because I believed that each compound had certain properties that, together, would yield a nice result... a somewhat similar result, or perhaps a not too distant second to an actual DBOL/test cycle. I didn't choose to run DBOL with AM simply because they both build muscle.

The reason it is touted as a test base is because it is highly anabolic and can be safely run for longer than the traditional orals out there. You also have to remember that the efficacy of all anabolics is based upon test, which is why we based the anabolic equivalent off of test.

When stacking anabolics, it's about creating an anabolic environment based upon several different pathways (for example, the test/deca stack).
 
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