anyone use tamoxifen ................
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guy on another forum used tamoxifen alone after gyno of 10 years from ph use and it cleared it up in 2 months..im using raloxifene now and am in week 4 and am noticing changes.
ronrr
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thanks for the info on raloxifene.. it can be used with tamoxifen for best results
TO REVERSE gynecomastia WITH SERMS:
Raloxifene: 60mg daily. You should see improvement in approx. 4 to 6 weeks. If not increase by 20 mg for every 3 weeks, never to exceed 100mg daily.
tamoxifen: 40mg daily for once week. Then 20mg daily until gynecomastia is reversed.
Both protocols above will take time. This is not a 2 week process. Reversal will require patience. But it most certainly is effective, side-effect-free and cost incredibly effective when compared to surgery.
There has been a tweek to the above protocol... See below.
This is the new ADVISED protocol:
60mg daily for 10 days ONLY. Then 30mg daily until gynecomastia is reversed.
WHY THE CHANGE:
Doses of 60 to 100mg of Raloxifene can result in bone demineralization. effected bone morphogenetic proteins include, but not limited to FGF, PGE2, M-CSF and PDGF.
Recommended Supplementation during Treatment:
Vitamin D and Calcium are recommended during Raloxifene treatment. 5000 IU vitamin D daily, and 500 mg of calcium daily.
This was just brought to my attention by an MD specialized in this field. I apologize for distributing the old protocol, however, this goes to show that you can research something to death and still not learn everything.
raloxifene remains the superior compound for gynecomastia reversal today.
I hope this helps. It does look promising.
jupiterlocal
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Never thought of supplimenting ralox with D and calcium. glad I saw your post ronrr.
I am on 60mg/day and going to get D and calcium
I am on 60mg/day and going to get D and calcium
Southernfish
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Puff nipples doesnt necessarily man you have gyno. If there are hard lumps behind your nipples then its safe to say that it is gyno. Puffy nips can be cause by all sorts of stuff.....Carb/sodium intake, high E2 causing water retention even though there is no gyno forming.
If it is in fact gyno don't use Letro, youll end up crashing you Estradiol very quickly and you don't want that. I had a small lump form under my left nipple a while ago after running some Dbol as a kicker and I was able to get rid of it completely running Nolvadex at 40mg per day for 4 weeks. This isn't to say it WILL work for you but it did the job for me.
I cant comment on Ralox as I have never used it but I know of a couple guys who didn't have success with it for this purpose.
If it is in fact gyno don't use Letro, youll end up crashing you Estradiol very quickly and you don't want that. I had a small lump form under my left nipple a while ago after running some Dbol as a kicker and I was able to get rid of it completely running Nolvadex at 40mg per day for 4 weeks. This isn't to say it WILL work for you but it did the job for me.
I cant comment on Ralox as I have never used it but I know of a couple guys who didn't have success with it for this purpose.
if ralox doesn't solve the issue for me, ill probably switch to tamoxifen and go from there for a few months.
juced_porkchop
Moderator
dnt use letro or an AI off cycle. crashing your estrogen to try shrink gyno is a bad idea and not healthy. you block the receptors with a SERM like tamox or ralox and leave the healthy levels of estro to be used by the body for its man functions, give it a couple months and see how you do.
DO NOT DO THE ASSININE LETRO FOR GYNO PROTOCAL THATS POSTED ON MANY FORUMS.
I highly rec Ralox for this, RUI has it.
what is crazy is the amount of people who still use letro and swear by it for shrinking or reversing gyno ..i'm hoping ralox really does the trick for me. I would consider becoming religious again
Letro is an oldschool way of treating gyno. More on the broscience way of doing things now a days. Research changes constantly. Popular ones were test has to be ran higher then tren or deca. Nolva is suitable to control estrogen on cycle. Blasting hcg before pct will bring up your balls. Etc... etc...
Dreaded Pirate Roberts
Administrator
Get some letro.
For what?
Milton
Administrator
It should do the trick, just monitor it well and keep us updated on your progress.
I just started using Tamoxifen (1 week) and have already noticed a change in the diameter of my gyno. I've had gyno for years and finally found lots of evidence Tamoxifen could help a lot and probably get rid of it. Also, I have read running Tamoxifen with letro will decrease the amount of letro that works, but another AI, aromasin, will not be effected if you take it with Tamoxifen.
I recently purchased Raloxifene and Aromasin and will run both of those, but I am not sure how to taper the Aromasin because I will run out of that before Ralox. Does anyone know if I keep taking the Ralox after the Aromasin, or do I need to taper both at the same time?
if your e2 is in good range i dont see how the aromasin will help anything but crash e2 and bring unwanted sides but i could be wrong...someone else can chime in with more info.
juced_porkchop
Moderator
no your right...
if off cycle and with norm estro, DONT USE AN AI OR LETRO. ue a SERM to block and shrink glands. and know that in alot of cases (even if you did try letro) the gyno is there to stay unless cut out. depends on the amount of tissue/development you have.
DEFF use SERM, I rec avoid AI
hypothetically lets say, if someone isn't on cycle and estro is in good range and still uses letro without a serm and it shrinks gyno, what would the reason for that reversal be?
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