Bad cycle for size and conditioning? (Sust, Deca, Winny, Tren)

[Mani]

Hey guys, I had this cycle i was thinking of trying before i was told NOT to. I'm going to post and please give me honest opinion before i do this:


wk1- Monday 250mg sust, 200mg deca--Saturday 250mg sust, 200mg deca

wk2- 20mg nolva eod, 50mg prov eod-- Thursday 250mg sust, 200mg deca

wk3- 20mg nolva eod 50mg prov eod-- Tuesday 250mg sust, 200mg deca--Sunday 250mg sust, 200mg deca

wk4- 20mg nolva eod 50mg prov eod-- Friday 250mg sust, 200mg deca

wk5-8- 20mg nolva eod, 50mg prov eod-- Monday 200mg tren e, 50 mg Winstrol (winny) eod

Once this is done then pct with clomid 2 weeks after last tren inj.

I am running a cycle currently that involves deca for 12 weeks, just taking 4 weeks off then back on for a bit. I hear test should be base of every cycle ALOT, wouldnt sust cover that? i understand that the 4 testosterones are diluted a bit but i want that so i wont have to worry about water as much. This is my first cycle involving test. I usually work with Winstrol (winny), deca, primo etc. But for a little more size i thought this would be the way to go about it. I want to try to keep it lean too. I got this out of a book that has helped me in previous cycles and they worked great, but apparently this is no good? What you think?

 

[StoneColdNTO]

There are sooooo many things wrong with that I don't even know where to begin.

You seriously need to do WAYYYY more research before ever touching a steroid again.

You need to take of at least a couple months after finishing your current Deca cycle.

Nolva throughout a cycle is a bad idea as it lowers IGF and can cause gyno issues when used in conjunction with Deca.

Sust and Deca for only 4 weeks is ridiculous, their just starting to take effect and you stop them......duh.

I could go on and on, but there's no sense, because this whole cycle is retarted and a waste of your time, and mine to trying to tell you all the things that are wrong.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/140628-some-important-steps.html

 

[Ythrashin]

What the hell?

You need to dump all that you think you know right now and just start learning again.... Someone filled your head up with some crazy stuff.

Check out some of the other threads and see what kind of cycles the other guys are running.

 

[freqfly]

Stone is spot on, horrible cycle and you need to do a lot more research. If you spend even an hour researching on this site you'll learn very quickly what's wrong with that cycle.

 

[dialtone]

I got this out of a book that has helped me in previous cycles and they worked great, but apparently this is no good? What you think?

i would love to know the book you are referring to...are you sure its a book? are you sure its not a 16 yr old dumbass friend, or...nothing?

point being, dont run this cycle, stick around and learn more....just for your sake, dont run that cycle for the many aforementioned legitimate reasons.

 

[Mani]

Alright guys, thanks alot. Obviously this is not the way to go. What i am understanding is stretch the cycle out a bit more. deca minimum 8-12 weeks, NO nolva with it, Sust ill run as long as the deca, tren can wait and Winstrol (winny) can stay.

I knew deca was a slow acting anabolic and i have heard somewhere not to run nolva with deca or tren. I dont have to run this cycle for awhile so i am definitely going to play around with it and you all helped out alot.

I am worried about gyno during the cycle tho, especially with the sust. any recomendations what would be the proper chemical to use during the cycle to provent gyno? letroloze maybe?

The book was Laymens Guide: Episode 3 written by mick hart

 

[Animal1852]

Alright guys, thanks alot. Obviously this is not the way to go. What i am understanding is stretch the cycle out a bit more. deca minimum 8-12 weeks, NO nolva with it, Sust ill run as long as the deca, tren can wait and Winstrol (winny) can stay.

I knew deca was a slow acting anabolic and i have heard somewhere not to run nolva with deca or tren. I dont have to run this cycle for awhile so i am definitely going to play around with it and you all helped out alot.

I am worried about gyno during the cycle tho, especially with the sust. any recomendations what would be the proper chemical to use during the cycle to provent gyno? letroloze maybe?

The book was Laymens Guide: Episode 3 written by mick hart

If this is your first cycle with test just run test E there is so much wrong with what you posted I dont even know where to begin stop making things complicated for yourself and run test E alone for 12 weeks. Sus is a poor choice for a first test cycle because its a blend you wont know how you ll react to the different esters and which is causing you pain. Thats the next thing look up esters, clearly you dont know about them if you suggested deca for 4 weeks. Depending on the ester each compound has a different half life, different times that it needs to be injected, different times for when post cycle therapy (pct) starts after injeciton and different times for clearing hte body. That is a terribnle cycle for not only conditioning but just in general. Run test E alone for 12 weeks and read the sticky on top of this page for beginners, otherwise you ll be paying the price with your health now or down the line somewhere.

 

[Animal1852]

I dont even know your stats so I dont even know if you should be doing roids. Deca only? which retard told you to do that, your going to shut down your test and come crying here a few weeks from now about how your nipples are lactating.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/111479-massive-newbie-info.html

 

[Mani]

Here are my stats, and yes esters have always been confusing to me and i am working on understanding them better

Age: 20
Height: 5'8
Weight: 173.4
BF%: 10.3

Training hard and dieting accordingly to style of training for 3 years (started at 16, but took a year to get everything straightened out). Anabolics are my next step, and yes, doing them correctly is very important to me, as it should be to everybody.

No i have not done a Deca only cycle. And yes deca for 4 weeks DID sound very odd to me which is why i had to run it by someone. Keep posting and shooting whatever you got to say, its all very helpful and i really appreciate it.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Yah I was trying to help him out in PM and told him i think he should make a thread and see im only trying to help and he will see others feel the same way as i do.

now i do think that a basic cycle nect tiem should eb doen maybe without the deca even
like for eg.

wk1-5 30-40mg Tbol ED
wk1-14 500mg TestE ew ( 250mg 2X a week about 3days apart if you can)
wk1-15 0.6mg Letro e3d (2X a week)
wk15-19 PCT: nolva- 30mg ed wk1 and 2 / 20mg ed wk 3 and 4.

somthing like that i think would be nice

you could throw in mild deca dose at say 250-300mg ew but not needid and i think maybe you shoudl do this cycle and then maybe next tiem do the same cycle and add the 300mg deca ew if you wish.


but dont to the first cycle you posted please.

 

[Mani]

Definitely wont do the first one and very pleased to see tonnes of opinions and alternative cycles, i will definitely go with the alternaives.

 

[Scarz]

yeh u got a lot of good bros helping u out here, awsome.

here's what u do - whatever u thought u ever knew about steroids and cycles needs to be forgotten. start fresh here and always ask when in doubt. read read and read. take the advise ure here so far.