Been Having Deca Dick issues for too long

[THE-DET-OAK]

DET: He's on a cycle buddy, those are good numbers for his dose, but there are much higher floating around here.

I do agree with editing out personal information though!

OP: You just recovered from a nasty virus that doesn't exactly go away. Add to that you're training hard AND on a caloric deficit. My advice?

Take a deload week. Drop the weight to 50% your normal working weight, cut out any cardio, and rest. You're going to feel like you're just spinning your wheels, but I promise that you'll feel MUCH better once all is said and done.

I'm in fact taking my own advice this week as I had been starting to feel run down, and know that it's time. Kills me lifting so light, but the body needs it.

That, and a little cialis can go a long way.

My .02c

Blood needs to come down ASAP he is probably pushing 60% or more. No need to EVER go over 55%.

This can cause long term damage to the arteries though arterial wall damage and cholesterol build up.

You can cycle without these numbers, although I don't recommend it

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Shit, that bastard halfwit told you correctly. I can attest that Cialis will go a longer way if you aint careful, ha , lol. I just went into a slump and thought that my Estradiol was G2G but was evidently wrong so I upped my Adex and in a very short time things seem to be getting a bit better, not up to par but better.

Oh DET as said his TT is not off , it is quite appropriate for the cycle. Mine get just like that.

I am mostly concerned about his blood count.

I suggested HCG cause I thought he was coming off.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

BTW the fatigue is from your blood being so thick. Initially when you get a rise in hemo you gain endurance, but there becomes a point to where it is derogatory affecting your endurance and recovery.

I believe this is why many wrestlers used stimulants.

 

[Megatron28]

BTW the fatigue is from your blood being so thick. Initially when you get a rise in hemo you gain endurance, but there becomes a point to where it is derogatory affecting your endurance and recovery.

I believe this is why many wrestlers used stimulants.

Derogatory? Spell check?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Ye it did something hopefully it was right lol

My grammar died in 2005

 

[IMT staff]

The "deca dick" is probably actually poor blood circulation and thats why cialis would help. I have never seen a DID NOT REPORT.

I would heed OAK's advice concerning lowering blood count ASAP.

Coincidently your BUN didn't show either, so its probably through the roof, which is not good.

 

[halfwit]

Blood needs to come down ASAP he is probably pushing 60% or more. No need to EVER go over 55%.

This can cause long term damage to the arteries though arterial wall damage and cholesterol build up.

You can cycle without these numbers, although I don't recommend it

What are you referring to for that conclusion? His total testosterone value? His RBC/hemoglobin/HCT and platelet count weren't on there.

I'm often sitting around 4k myself (TT), but I have a HCT of 48%. I do agree that it is important to keep HCT down, but I don't know if you saw something I missed?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

It said "DNR" which is did not report. Very few times have I seen labs cause delays or get errors, when they do its usually because of a crazy value.

For instance sometimes quest will hold really high T values, because the double check them.

I am assuming his entire CBC is jacked. Also his BUN as pointed out by Todd.

Is it possible his HH is perfectly fine? Yea but I HIGHLY doubt it.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Considering TT levels its very probable to assume thats exactly whats going on. I have seen some really high TT values, 2800 3k etc. 5K is insane.

At one point Dr Scally and a few of us debated in length if that high of a T level was even attainable, and if it was even harder to catch on lab work.

 

[halfwit]

It said "DNR" which is did not report. Very few times have I seen labs cause delays or get errors, when they do its usually because of a crazy value.

For instance sometimes quest will hold really high T values, because the double check them.

I am assuming his entire CBC is jacked. Also his BUN as pointed out by Todd.

Is it possible his HH is perfectly fine? Yea but I HIGHLY doubt it.

DNR = Did Not Record.

It's common in blood assays of this type where it's done Ala carte.

Considering TT levels its very probable to assume thats exactly whats going on. I have seen some really high TT values, 2800 3k etc. 5K is insane.

At one point Dr Scally and a few of us debated in length if that high of a T level was even attainable, and if it was even harder to catch on lab work.

I think you're forgetting that this is the AAS forum; it's a cycle, with a limited time at supraphysiological values of testosterone. Yes, HCT inevitably does rise, but that's where blood donations come into play.

Deca dick as it's lovingly referred to actually refers to the rise in prolactin, which interferes with sexual ability. This is due to the progestin activity specific to 19-nors if estradiol (or very unlucky and very sensitive to PRL) rises to levels that enable prolactin to proliferate. It causes the lack of the ability to sustain an erection and even climax.

Often (not in this particular case) reducing estradiol is the chief method of correction due to the relationship between estradiol and prolactin. However, if quick relief is sought, a dopamine agonist is often employed due to the inverse relationship between dopamine and prolactin.

Just felt the need to clear that up a little.

Zero disrespect intended as always.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I understand exactly what DD is, but I don't think that is what he has at all. It is in fact did not report.

Its not common at all for it to happen. There are not many lab testing companies, just many other companies that play the middle man.

Typically if something wasn't tested its not on there, I have seen a ton of "al a carte" assays. As a matter of fact thats what quest is.

No disrespect at all, I am just 99.9% positive his HCT is 60%. The highest I have seen is 56%. 55% is the threshold where you should discontinue immediately.

This could be what this company calls a "partial result". Even then though its usually just not on the lab print out. When quest gets "partial results" when the number comes back its crazy high, like I said because the double check it, thats why its late. But there is always a reason for the values to be on there but not report.

So, his symptoms, the DNR, and the fact than bun coincidently also didn't post, is what is leading me to believe that, pretty sure its an accurate assessment too.

PS 5k is really high, not saying dangerous I am concerned mostly about CBC, but 5k is high. I challenge anyone to find 10 blood tests with this reading. You can search the medical literature its not out there.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Been a while since I have looked at this study but I am sure the highest tested was 23 or 2800.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.full

 

[halfwit]

I understand exactly what DD is, but I don't think that is what he has at all. It is in fact did not report.

Its not common at all for it to happen. There are not many lab testing companies, just many other companies that play the middle man.

Typically if something wasn't tested its not on there, I have seen a ton of "al a carte" assays. As a matter of fact thats what quest is.

No disrespect at all, I am just 99.9% positive his HCT is 60%. The highest I have seen is 56%. 55% is the threshold where you should discontinue immediately.

This could be what this company calls a "partial result". Even then though its usually just not on the lab print out. When quest gets "partial results" when the number comes back its crazy high, like I said because the double check it, thats why its late. But there is always a reason for the values to be on there but not report.

So, his symptoms, the DNR, and the fact than bun coincidently also didn't post, is what is leading me to believe that, pretty sure its an accurate assessment too.

PS 5k is really high, not saying dangerous I am concerned mostly about CBC, but 5k is high. I challenge anyone to find 10 blood tests with this reading. You can search the medical literature its not out there.

You're looking at this with the right intentions, but what if I told you that I have personally pulled blood work with a TT over 10k and still had a HCT of under 50%?

On this side of the fence things are a little different, which I'm sure you're aware of. Private tests such as private MD and Labsmd.com are the 3rd party that contracts out to both quest diagnostics and labcorp. The printout we receive often shows DNR for services we didn't pay for, but are merely part of the template. In this case, he chose to go at it a bit more costly and chose specific tests instead of the recommended "female panel" which does include CBC.

But again, I'm not infallible - and it's very possible to have an extremely high HCT in this case. We just don't know as he didn't have them pulled. This is why we stress in the AAS forums to obtain a complete blood panel and strongly recommend blood donations every 56 days.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

You're looking at this with the right intentions, but what if I told you that I have personally pulled blood work with a TT over 10k and still had a HCT of under 50%?

Listen I totally agree with you there. It is possible to have any T level with a HCT under 50%, its just not probable as I have seen many lab tests from all the companies you have mentioned and NEVER once seen a DNR like this.

His CBC is jacked, like I said I am 99.9% positive.


I use to dabble with cycling too, I in no way demonize it. Just think there is a safe way to do it and in this case he is causing permanent long term damage.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Also your argument doesn't explain why he got a CMP pulled but his BUN was not applicable? Which BTW is also commonly high when on high dosages of androgens.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Also if you look at page 2 of his labs you will see under white cell count it says "TNP" not "DNR"

TNP = Test Not Performed

So that doesn't add up either to the "al a carte"

His blood is thicker than red georgia clay.

THOUSANDS, I have seen THOUSANDS, never once seen this. Not once. SOOOOOO......

 

[Megatron28]

Sorry guys. I had to take his attachments down. OP forgot to edit out his personal info from the labs.

 

[4GKenZy]

edit: well that was embarassing

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

^^^^ hahaha *facepalm*

 

[4GKenZy]

^^^^ hahaha *facepalm*

This is why I should read entire threads. Oh lord.