Why do so many people praise sustanon? I don't really understand what's so good about it. It is good because it keeps testosterone levels more stable, right? But that's not really true. Because the best way to keep testosterone levels stable would be to use different esters at different times. Ideally, you would start with a short ester like acetate then slowly introduce longer lasting esters and then towards the end of your cycle you would phase in short esters like acetate. This means that the levels in your testosterone would quickly rise at the start of your cycle, be stable in the middle (thanks to long esters) and quickly fall at the end and thereby getting the most out of your cycle. Isn't using a strategy like this better than using sustanon?
Benefits of Sustanon??
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Kane_Red_Machine
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it remain to say than you make your own blend with some risk discotnued level of hormone.
this pix can, perhaps, explain you the synergy of esters in sustanon.
this pix can, perhaps, explain you the synergy of esters in sustanon.
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I've been running sust and make good gains but using it eod and ed I feel like crap but that should be the way to have most stable blood levels. Now I'm trying high dose once a week. I feel much better but only three weeks in. I will be long ester only guy once I get rid of the rest of what I had. Maybe after a few more weeks I will be able to tell which works best for me but it will be my last time using it.
Die$eL~Man
Straight Up Gangster !
i love sus @ eod injections..
I got bored so I made some graphs.
i.imgur.com/wJRAD.png (not sure why it isnt letting me embed the image?)
These graphs are of the amount of testosterone being absorbed by the body with different esters. The half live of the ester being used in the first graph is 3 days, the second graph is 6 days and the third is 9 days. The user is being injected every three days for 54 days then stops. The upward spikes in the graph are days when its being injected. The x-axis is the days. The y-axis values are relative to the other graphs (ie the actual amount being absorbed isnt 1100mg, the values are there so you can compare the graphs).
Notice that the first graph A reaches stability quite quickly (by about day 24) whereas graph C is still gradually increasing at the point of the user stopping taking the steroids.
I have a couple of questions. If we could control the amount in our blood perfectly, what would the graph look like? Also, why when startig a steroid cycle do people not use more to begin with and instead use something like dianobol to kick start thier cycle?
i.imgur.com/wJRAD.png (not sure why it isnt letting me embed the image?)
These graphs are of the amount of testosterone being absorbed by the body with different esters. The half live of the ester being used in the first graph is 3 days, the second graph is 6 days and the third is 9 days. The user is being injected every three days for 54 days then stops. The upward spikes in the graph are days when its being injected. The x-axis is the days. The y-axis values are relative to the other graphs (ie the actual amount being absorbed isnt 1100mg, the values are there so you can compare the graphs).
Notice that the first graph A reaches stability quite quickly (by about day 24) whereas graph C is still gradually increasing at the point of the user stopping taking the steroids.
I have a couple of questions. If we could control the amount in our blood perfectly, what would the graph look like? Also, why when startig a steroid cycle do people not use more to begin with and instead use something like dianobol to kick start thier cycle?
MotorIHead
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IMO the only benefit is that at the end of ur cycle it'll be in ur system longer. People praise it b/c it works well for them. It's just what works best for ur own body really. I would say that a greater percentage of people like Sus rather than dislike.
boston5520
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Cobra Strike
New member
Well this is completely fucked lol first off you dont want the shit in your system long. The faster its out the faster your hormones can get back to normal the faster you can pct the more gains you keep. Im running sus right now for the first 9 weeks and then switching to prop which will cut almost 2 weeks out of my waiting period. Also I will never run it again. I prefer a more even blood level and its hard to get with sus even at eod. Its test e or c from here on out!!!
edited because I accidently typed tren rather than test
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Kristofer68ss
Squats and Deads S&M
Test is Test right? lol Everybody reacts differently, I have seen it too many times. Personally, i like Sustanon (sust).
I like sust blasted once a week.
No acne, no bloat, leans me out
I tried ED, EOD, MWF, E3D,......my body cant tell a gdamn difference.
I got tired of being a pin cushion for the same fuking results. 1xEW.
lol
I like sust blasted once a week.
No acne, no bloat, leans me out
I tried ED, EOD, MWF, E3D,......my body cant tell a gdamn difference.
I got tired of being a pin cushion for the same fuking results. 1xEW.
lol
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Cobra Strike
New member
Im not saying your wrong but your never gonna be able to "feel" your blood levels
Greazy-Pickle
Senior Member
not a fan of sust.. i think they experimented and it just didnt work,makes perfect sense on paper but in the field it seemed to fail based on blood results.. ent/prop worx much better..
sust is designed to keep approximately the same levels of hormone releasing into your blood stream at any given moment over the course of about a week give or take based on a variety of factors. after that the only ester left in you is going to be the decanoate ester and you will cleave less and less of that each day. the point of multiple esters with steadily increasingly long ester half lives is to take the place of pinning Ed or eod and such.
people say because there is prop in it you have to shoot eod and I used to say and think that too until looked into esters a bit more and really thought about it. when you would pin again after a day has passed, the phenyl prop is releasing. with the isocaproate and the leftover uncleaved prop. that is just like another pin of prop.
and in fact, when thinking about the release timing, I would say that spacing your injections out actually keeps you MORE balanced. the ideal spacing wouldbe that you shoot again as the medium esters have been mostly cleaved, in other words around the 2nd half life as this is when the daily amount of test releasing I into the bloodstream would start to decrease.
if it ia designed to mimic Ed pinning by using multiple release times, and is designed for more spaced out pinning, you cN reasonably assume that non spaced out pinning would not achieve the best results.
that being said, I have heard that sust is often faked, often replaced by the cheaper an easier to make poor mans equivalent that is basically prop and enanthate. people whose sources are providing this kind of poor mans sust would be best off pinning eod or Ed and would probably notice that.
of course that is all just my own retarded theories and I have nothing to base Ito. other thang own observations, research and backwards-ass logic. i have never used sust myself lol.
people say because there is prop in it you have to shoot eod and I used to say and think that too until looked into esters a bit more and really thought about it. when you would pin again after a day has passed, the phenyl prop is releasing. with the isocaproate and the leftover uncleaved prop. that is just like another pin of prop.
and in fact, when thinking about the release timing, I would say that spacing your injections out actually keeps you MORE balanced. the ideal spacing wouldbe that you shoot again as the medium esters have been mostly cleaved, in other words around the 2nd half life as this is when the daily amount of test releasing I into the bloodstream would start to decrease.
if it ia designed to mimic Ed pinning by using multiple release times, and is designed for more spaced out pinning, you cN reasonably assume that non spaced out pinning would not achieve the best results.
that being said, I have heard that sust is often faked, often replaced by the cheaper an easier to make poor mans equivalent that is basically prop and enanthate. people whose sources are providing this kind of poor mans sust would be best off pinning eod or Ed and would probably notice that.
of course that is all just my own retarded theories and I have nothing to base Ito. other thang own observations, research and backwards-ass logic. i have never used sust myself lol.
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PartyCan
Livin Life 2 the MAX
you are if your shootin other shit as well as the sust...
i only pin sust once a week never had a prob
PartyCan
Livin Life 2 the MAX
well put i agree
Greazy-Pickle
Senior Member
Sustanon was designed to pin weekly and result in steady blood levels.. didnt work.. try it if you must..
Cobra Strike
New member
hahaha your telling me you can actually "feel" your blood levels? Sorry bro but the only way your gonna feel your blood levels is metabolic acidosis or metabolic alkalosis. All the other shit is in your head...If your statement was true then who would need blood work!
Kristofer68ss
Squats and Deads S&M
I like my results on it.
I paid for it and its my cushion.
I'm going to pin it the way I want.
Greazy-Pickle
Senior Member
I like my results on it.
I paid for it and its my cushion.
I'm going to pin it the way I want.
way to stand your ground brother lol.. glad it works for you.. never said it didnt.. i just feel single esters get the job done.. to each his own..
Kristofer68ss
Squats and Deads S&M
lol,
stand my ground?
yeah.
I'm just posting my personal feedback on Sust dosing.
Sustaplex 325 and I bought a truckload, so I have been playin with the shots for awhile and will be for awhile.
Using the knowledge of half times, I suspect that pinning enathate eod would result in more stable blood levels. My plan is to write a program that optimises the tests levels in your blood stream by calculating the best possible way to keep them steady in terms of how much to inject, when to inject and what ester to inject.
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