best pct
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Frankie xq
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regardless of using arimidex thru-out the cycle, you still must go thru pct.
StoneColdNTO
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Frankie xq said:
Exactly, Arimidex and post cycle therapy (pct) have nothing at all to do with each other.
StoneColdNTO
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One last comment.....if you suffer testicular atrophy (shrinkage) from your cycle, it is a very good idea to use some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to get the boys back to their normal size, that makes it so much easier for Clomid and or Nolvadex to do their job......
StoneColdNTO said:
Thats right big dog! Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 500iu daily for 10 days is what I did. Nolvadex throughout cycle and Clomid for a total of 21 days PC... BD10 hinted me on the doses of Clomid. Worked out great, other than the depressing moments and shit! lol Good to go now! Good luck.....
02gixxersix
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Just get some liquidex to run during the cycle. Run it at .5mg eod. It will keep the bloat off of you which will make you look much harder, and also help to reduce the chances of gyno. For post cycle therapy I hate clomid. This time around I'm going to try maybe HCg with some of the post-cycle stuff from proteinfactory.com. It's just a mixture of hebs and such to help gets your boys working again basically. Clomid makes me feel like shit. I would start clomid therapy 3 weeks to the day after you last test shot as it take about that long to clear your system. IMO if you are going to go a different route than this, nolva is a much better choice than clomid. HCG is a good idea but off hand I'm not sure exactly how to run it as I have nevre done it before. I'm pretty sure you start it on the last day of your cycle and rnu it up until clomid/nolva therapy. HCG itself will actually shut you down so do not take it after the nolva. It is just there to get LH producing again.
02gixxersix
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i just told you.
02gixxersix
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As far as doseages for clomid its 300mg the first day, 100mg day 2-8 and 50mg day 9-21. I told you the doseage of liquidex already. Nolva I would probably run at 20-40mg per day for 3 weeks. Post-cycle from proteinfactory comes in a 30day supply. I haven't seen any doseages posted that have been different fromwhat the company recommends so I would jsut take the whole bottleas recommended. they also have a product called unleashed which will lower shbg which allows for morefree test in the system.
DTOX
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I'd say:
50mg/day of Clomid for about 3 weeks.
20mg/day of Nolvadex for 3+ weeks.
I'm sure I'll get flamed big time (so it's a great way to start a debate), but I think people start post cycle therapy (pct) way way way too early. I think this is also the reason so many people complain about have Total Test levels of 200ng/dl after they've done post cycle therapy (pct) too (and then wonder why). Personally, I don't think post cycle therapy (pct) is going to help that much if you still have equal to 100mg+ of gear in your body.
So, given a dosage of 500mg/wk of Test Enth, let's say the half-life is 7 days (to make it simple). This means that at your last shot you'll have 1000mg of Test in your system. So I'd use the following timeline:
Week 0 - 1000mg (Last shot)
Week 1 - 500mg
Week 2 - 250mg
Week 3 - 125mg
Week 4 - 63mg
So even 3 weeks after your last shot you're *still* going to have supraphysiological levels of testosterone in your body. It would make sense then to start post cycle therapy (pct) between 21 and 28 days after your last shot.
The only valid counter argument I can think of is that it may take some time for anti-e's levels to build up in the body. I believe this is the case with Clomid to a certain extent, but I think Nolvadex is faster acting. Even then I think it would be safer to wait and start post cycle therapy (pct) 21 days after last shot.
50mg/day of Clomid for about 3 weeks.
20mg/day of Nolvadex for 3+ weeks.
I'm sure I'll get flamed big time (so it's a great way to start a debate), but I think people start post cycle therapy (pct) way way way too early. I think this is also the reason so many people complain about have Total Test levels of 200ng/dl after they've done post cycle therapy (pct) too (and then wonder why). Personally, I don't think post cycle therapy (pct) is going to help that much if you still have equal to 100mg+ of gear in your body.
So, given a dosage of 500mg/wk of Test Enth, let's say the half-life is 7 days (to make it simple). This means that at your last shot you'll have 1000mg of Test in your system. So I'd use the following timeline:
Week 0 - 1000mg (Last shot)
Week 1 - 500mg
Week 2 - 250mg
Week 3 - 125mg
Week 4 - 63mg
So even 3 weeks after your last shot you're *still* going to have supraphysiological levels of testosterone in your body. It would make sense then to start post cycle therapy (pct) between 21 and 28 days after your last shot.
The only valid counter argument I can think of is that it may take some time for anti-e's levels to build up in the body. I believe this is the case with Clomid to a certain extent, but I think Nolvadex is faster acting. Even then I think it would be safer to wait and start post cycle therapy (pct) 21 days after last shot.
StoneColdNTO
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xzon said:
There are two ways you can go here;
The first way is to use an anti-aromatase like Arimidex, Femara, or Aromasin. These will greatly reduce the conversion of test to estrogen in the first place, thus reducing related problems like water retention, high blood pressure and gyno.
The second way is to use a SERM like Nolvadex to control estrogen once it is already produved in your body. It works by attaching itself to estrogen receptor sites, rendering them inactive.ie; in breast tissue to treat and prevent gyno. Nolva will do very little if anything at all to reduce water retention and problems like blood pressure associated with it.
