Big favor to ask the big guys

[old&stacked]

Ok riddle me this pupil. If ur doing something to the point it kills you are you really doing it to the best of your ability for one and is it for your benefit.

Think about it. Listen to tgose of us who have been there. Thosenof ua in our late 30s and 40s have made the same mistake. Over trained too much cardio and not getting enough rest and sleep wasnt just it. We r not telling u anything in bad faith. Start out with a base work out see where it takes you and go from there.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

Look at Michael phelps.. he is a swimmer and would consume atleast 10,000-12,000 calories a day..

Wonder what kind of effect that has on the body aside from world class toilet bombing lol

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

Think about it

I need to figure out how to eat more food, clean food

 

[infection]

Oh shit, I must have missed that line where it said you are natural. You DEFINITELY need to cut out lots of the cardio then, and focus solely on packing on mass. I am on a lot of gear, and I do minimal cardio while bulking.

 

[Ridiculous87]

I am and have always been natural, guys are on the money with the eating/cutting down cardio, my sleep is good, I'm going to develop a program for myself that allows me to train everything twice a week if it kills me!!

I don't think you need to train everything twice a week. I'm 100% natty (for now) and am still seeing gains after 8 years in the gym and I only train each group once a week (except calves ).

I try and work as many complex lifts into as many days as possible which means I am pretty much working everything every time I train, just not as hard as they would be worked on their dedicated day.

I mke a diet, roll with it until I stop growing and then find ways to squueze in more food. I don't do much cardio other then some incline walking (I admit I need to start doing more to lean out a bit more).

I dont think your split makes as big a difference as the excercises you choose to do in your split. Isolation workouts have their purpose, but complex lifts are king.

 

[tbonexl]

If u think about it, swimming and basically what your doing burns a lot of calories.. so u need to maintain what your burning and then add to it to gain..

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

You DEFINITELY need to cut out lots of the cardio

Was always proud of my athleticism, I'll cut out the sprint work and keep playing light basketball, and up the cals by 1k or so.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

I don't think you need to train everything twice a week

I've just read and heard that training groups twice a week is a legit game changer, always wanted to make it happen

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

If u think about it, swimming and basically what your doing burns a lot of calories.. so u need to maintain what your burning and then add to it to gain..

you're right, for the longest time I just kept working knowing it was wrong figuring I would eventually straighten the whole thing out

 

[tbonexl]

Hind sight is 20/20... We all have been there before. Sometimes making mistakes is the best way to learn. I can tell your a lil frustrated. You'll get there..

 

[old&stacked]

Hind sight is 20/20... We all have been there before. Sometimes making mistakes is the best way to learn. I can tell your a lil frustrated. You'll get there..

Amen brother

 

[infection]

Keep it simple, bud. Don't count calories, just eat. If you don't gain anything, eat more. If your bf starts going up, cut back a bit. Cardio is going to be your limiting factor. Hell, I don't even take the stairs sometimes because I try to be as lazy as possible when I am resting.

The best tip I have ever received about exercise, and achieving results was this:"If you train hard, you need to learn to rest hard." No need to explain this one, but it's an important concept few people apply.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

"If you train hard, you need to learn to rest hard."

I've always said to my cousin, if you train hard you need to eat hard, I always considered resting to be sleep itself, but playing 4 hours of basketball in a day aint resting lol

 

[tbonexl]

Infection and stacked know what they're talking about.. good guys there.. ill rep u but it won't do any good lol

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

lol

 

[infection]

Infection and stacked know what they're talking about.. good guys there.. ill rep u but it won't do any good lol

Haha, thanks bud.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

On a 6'2 frame, @10% bf, how much bigger can/should I get before starting gear?? Not planning on competing...

 

[old&stacked]

Infection and stacked know what they're talking about.. good guys there.. ill rep u but it won't do any good lol

Living to talk about my mistakes brother thats all.

 

[old&stacked]

@ 6'2 230-240 before starting gear. That way u can come down to 230 nice and tight. See the madness now lol.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

Arnold was 235 w/ gear wasn't he??

I know I can't get to 230 @ 10% w/o gear