Books 'bout steroids

[AggrssvMdcrty]

Hi. I'm interested in finding some really good books about chemistry of steroids, as comprehensive as possible. I know about works of Vida and Kochakian, also Yesalis did some great job in his books about steroids in sports; please, don't tell me about PubMed, Elsevier and other sources of publications, I can search'em on my own, I need just solid, thick tomes 'bout steroids from high-class author.
C'mon, guys, share some knowledge with me

 

[DADAWG]

Hi. I'm interested in finding some really good books about chemistry of steroids, as comprehensive as possible. I know about works of Vida and Kochakian, also Yesalis did some great job in his books about steroids in sports; please, don't tell me about PubMed, Elsevier and other sources of publications, I can search'em on my own, I need just solid, thick tomes 'bout steroids from high-class author.
C'mon, guys, share some knowledge with me

welcome to ology.


sorry to tell you bot most of the written info about steroids are either by medical people with no idea how they work for our application or they are written by people just to sell to newbies lol. the internet and boards like this are far and away a better source of info .

 

[park]

Listen to dawg...I have a few books and all of them suck. One has a deca and dbol only cycle. I've learned far more from these guys on this board.

 

[AggrssvMdcrty]

welcome to ology.

Thanks, I hope I'll find some interesting info here and share my knowledge as well.

sorry to tell you bot most of the written info about steroids are either by medical people with no idea how they work for our application or they are written by people just to sell to newbies lol. the internet and boards like this are far and away a better source of info .

Hmm, I totally agree that there's a tons of fancy books written by so-called "experts" and full of wrong and possibly dangerous info BUT there's a lot of good books and publications giving some essential info about steroid chemistry, MoA, pharmacodynamics/kinetics etc. Some of'em written specifically for sports and exercises application (I'm talking about Vida/Kochakian/Yesalis works mostly) and some give you look at core principles of AAS chemistry that IMO are very important.

Listen to dawg...I have a few books and all of them suck. One has a deca and dbol only cycle. I've learned far more from these guys on this board.

What books do you have exactly? Cause I'm talking not about "AAS for Dummies" or "Juiced: A Comprehensive Guide to Sterons" and not even Duchaine/Llewellyn/WAR-style books, I'm trying to find more science-based, serious, for-sports-medicine-only books by people w/ degrees in chemistry/biochemistry/physiology etc.

There's really lot of useful info on PubMed, Elsevier and other sources. Also you always can find and d/l almost every needed publication by DOI but info in these sources are scattered and you need to waste too much time to get it organized in one folder on your HDD (or maybe SSD, lol)

 

[josh30013]

The best book is to just read all the stickys! I personally think the sticky written by DOC J is the best for knowledge. Its in this thread. Welcome to ology bro!

 

[AggrssvMdcrty]

Welcome to ology bro!

Yeah, thanks, mate. Hope it'll be useful and friendly.

The best book is to just read all the stickys! I personally think the sticky written by DOC J is the best for knowledge.

I think this is another misunderstanding of my question. I don't seeking for info on cycles or "how to determine fake gear". Not now. I'm into SCIENCE of steroids. Just to mention:

...there are a plethora of books available on the
subject of anabolic steroids. Several that come to mind are the World Anabolic Review,
the Underground Steroid Handbooks 1 & II, Performance Enhancement with an Edge,
and the Anabolic Reference Guide. Any one of these publications would impart enough
information to the reader...

As I stated above, I'm not searchin' for WAR-like books or stickies based on WAR-info, no pun intended. I need a more deep look into AAS work.

 

[essays]

The best I've found was Bill Llewellyn's work in Anabolics. Unfortunately, there are no "books" like you're looking for, however there are available scientific research abstracts on the net... They don't usually cover many types of steroids outside of test, deca and Anavar (var), and the rest are usually animal testing.

 

[stevenmd]

Judging by your forum name, I'm guessing you're a fan of Showtime's Californication?

 

[AggrssvMdcrty]

The best I've found was Bill Llewellyn's work in Anabolics.

I see BTW, do you have 10th edition in PDF?

Unfortunately, there are no "books" like you're looking for...

Fortunately, there ARE. As I mentioned a couple of times before Vida's "Androgens and Anabolic Agents", Kochakian's "Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids" and "Anabolic Steroids in Sports and Exercises" by Yesalis are all excellent and essential read if you wanna know how exactly AAS works. I'm looking for something like this, something that slipped under my radar.

...however there are available scientific research abstracts on the net...

Of course, I already mentioned it

They don't usually cover many types of steroids outside of test, deca and var...

You're wrong

, and the rest are usually animal testing.

Not always.

To make things clear: I'm not trying to play smartass here or impress someone via abstract medical knowledge, I'm also not a PubMed Ninja/Google Ranger or Elsevier/Springer Coyote, all I want to need: ARE there any members who interested in steroids pharmacology/chemistry and, if they are, what they can recommend to read except aforementioned authors and sources

 

[AggrssvMdcrty]

Judging by your forum name, I'm guessing you're a fan of Showtime's Californication?

You're partially right, lol. I really like first and somehow second seasons, 3rd and 4th are total waste and 5th seems legit (I've watched 3 eps so far).
And yeah, I borrowed my name from production company of Californication, I think, it fits me quite well.
So what about you? Seems like you are kinda fan too.

 

[stevenmd]

You're partially right, lol. I really like first and somehow second seasons, 3rd and 4th are total waste and 5th seems legit (I've watched 3 eps so far).
And yeah, I borrowed my name from production company of Californication, I think, it fits me quite well.
So what about you? Seems like you are kinda fan too.

I agree with your synopsis of the show. This season definitely seems a lot better than last season. Although I thought Hank would be getting laid a bit more...

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

The best work on pharmacology of Steroids was done in Germany in the 50's. THe create many of the products used today and hundreds of other compounds that have never been put into mass production. The best thing to do would be to look for old organic chemistry books in College libraries. Did you know you can make testosterone from Butter in your own kitchen. Go search the chemistry forum you wil find a lot of great info here on the site back around 2005 when everyone was making there own steroids.

 

[weights=life]

did you say testosterone from BUTTER?

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

The best I've found was Bill Llewellyn's work in Anabolics. Unfortunately, there are no "books" like you're looking for, however there are available scientific research abstracts on the net... They don't usually cover many types of steroids outside of test, deca and Anavar (var), and the rest are usually animal testing.

Not very good

 

[Phatbastard]

did you say testosterone from BUTTER?

Yeah you take a Pat of butter rub it on your willy! Starts Testosterone production LOL

WTF?

 

[AggrssvMdcrty]

THe create *many of the products used today and hundreds of other compounds that have never been put into mass production. *

Absolutely true. I always laugh when some UG like Antaeus Labs rolling out on market their "new" product, claiming it cutting edge compound, though it was desrcibed in Vida's tables 40 years ago and even patented, lol.*
Maybe someone should make a thread with brief descriptions of ~600 designer steroids from Vida so people won't be confused w/all this new steroids.*

The best thing to do would be to look for old organic chemistry books in College libraries.

Good answer but I don't have access to them now. Maybe someone have scanned PDFs? However, thanks for answer, cap'n.

Did you know you can make testosterone from Butter in your own kitchen.

Yeah, of course. Testosterone was made from cholesterol by Ruzicka back in 30s so it can be done same way these days. Also, there are rumours that early Russian Dbol by Akrihin ("Russian Five") was made from potatoes cause it was cheapest choice, however quality was not so good. In case of test-from-butter-in-kitchen it'll be poor quality also. But if you can build some proto-lab in your garage... *

Go search the chemistry forum you *wil find a lot of great info here on the site back around 2005 when everyone was making there own steroids.

Lol, that's what we doing here now. Me and my friends run small business making and selling steroids. Think of it as "artisanal" family thing for friends and FoF. Our chemist also make some designer compounds if someone wish to test on himself some old stuff that didn't make it to the market. We all waiting for some meathead that asks us to make some nuclear stuff like DHMethyltrienolone or some extra potent Mibolerone derivative, lol, just to watch what it will do to him.*

 

[AggrssvMdcrty]

Although I thought Hank would be getting laid a bit more...

And I'm waitin for more middle years crisis stuff.

 

[brother bundy]

to me this forum is like school bro science 101 I love it

 

[guambomb]

The most medically sound you can pick up that endorses testosterone use is, "Testosterone for Life" by Abraham Morgentaler, MD

 

[AggrssvMdcrty]

The most medically sound you can pick up that endorses testosterone use is, "Testosterone for Life" by Abraham Morgentaler, MD

I think, it's more about overall sexual health than medical research of test's anabolic/myotropic effects, no?
Can you describe this book a bit more, please