Buffdoc needs your help

[buffdoc]

Hello friends,
I have a good friend, who works out at my gym, who is a female competitive BB. She's a middleweight, 5'3", about 140, stronger than me (sob!), came close to getting her pro card this fall.
I'm advising her on her cycling, and trying to keep her healthy. Her trainer is a nice guy, a IFBB pro, but I don't think he quite gets it in terms of women's usage versus men's.
Before her last show, she was using clen and T3 (75/day); don't know her doses or tapers, if any. She's used test in the past, but doesn't want to anymore (she has a nice, sexy lowered voice; I need to ask her if that's from the test!)
She started HGH (Saizen) a week ago at 2 iu per day. Her next show is in April, I believe. So she's got a good 5 months for the HGH to do its thing.
She says her labs were "out of wack" after the last show, I'm not sure in what respect, so I plan to do a full chemistry, CBC, lipid, hormone workup on her soon.
She asked me about using Winstrol (winny) and primo tabs. I recommended against the Winstrol (winny), and suggested oxandrolone. I know a fair amount about Winstrol (winny), var and HGH. I know very little about Primo tablets, and need ya'lls' input on that. Dose, effectiveness, is it redundant with oxandrolone?? Virilization potential?? Are there as many tablet fakes as there are with Primo injectable??
Also, for those of you who compete, as far as her leaning-up program, she does mega cardio leading up to a show. If she used clen/T3, would a taper up and down on the T3 over 6 weeks, with 2 on 2 off clen be most appropriate, leading right up to the show to avoid any rebound weight gain??
Any and all feedback will be appreciated.
Love,
BD

 

[redsquirrel]

Well, I'll answer what I can. Per the Primo tabs...haven't done them, don't know anyone who has.

I have, however, used Primo injects/Var/Gh.BY FAR MY FAVORITE CYCLE. I made amazing lean muscle gains. AS WELL as loss in BF. GH does it's best work used with AAS. My dosing for the Primo was 50 mgs E3D, and 10-15mgs Var a day and 2 IU of GH. I recently did a cycle of Winstrol (winny), and I guess I made decent gains, however, the estrogen rebound was horrendous. I did an 8 week cycle. And jsut last week finally got my period back after 12 weeks. There is serious amounts of water weight associated with Winstrol (winny). IMO, I would have her do the Primo tabs instead

As far as rebound post comp, that's up to the individual. T3 will not do the trick. Chances are, she will want to eat whatever she wants, and that's when T3 loses it's effectivenes- when people stop dieting.

 

[buffdoc]

RS, thanks.
I warned her off the Winstrol (winny) because she already has joint problems, nothing severe, but they're there. I don't know about women, but Winstrol (winny) can be a real bear for us guys interms of "drying us out" and causing joint pains. From my searches on your forum, it sounds like water RETENTION is more of a prob w/ women and winny.
As far as the T3, I just want to be sure it's appropriate to run it right up to contest day. After the contest, well, she'll enjoy her food for a while, let's just say.

 

[Fyre]

Well, I myself have never used Primo so I'm afraid I can't give any input on that. Winstrol (winny) will cause some water retention with her and yes, it is hard on the joints. It's odd how men don't seem to retain on Winstrol (winny), but women do.
I think the Var would be a good choice at 10-15mg a day.
As far as T-3, I've never used it either but I know there's girls here than have so I'm sure they'll chime in as well.

 

[supergirl]

got your pm BD.. thanks

ok.. here is my take:

1) i agree with RS.. Winstrol (winny) is harsh on the joints and if your friend is already prone to joint pain, i would not use it.. HOWever, the gh will kinda work against it meaning where the Winstrol (winny) will dry them and cause them soreness, the gh will actually help them (after the 1st month of pain that is) so in the long run, gh will combat the negatives of Winstrol (winny) and could be a decent combo, BUT var and gh is far superior!
2) T3.. she can run it up to and through her contest.. she should NOT stop prior to her show because of possible immediate water retention following the T# and rebound.. she should begin her taper the next day for about a week. Do you need help with the pyramid?? i know i have posted it before, but can again for you.. same thing goes for the clen.. right through it.. change NOTHING!! that is the key!! so many people change a few days out.. WHY??? continue doing what is working!! no chances.
3) Primo tabs.. well.. if you find legit ones, they are going to be $$$ and IMO i would absolutely have them tested prior to use.. injectable.. forget it.. i don't know the last time i have seen real ones lol.. except maybe some turkish ones.. Primo and gh will be a nice combo! minimal virilization.. but keep dosages low.. as long as her diet is clean, any possible bloat will be controlled.. esp with the T3 and clen.. the var is not redundant, but better than primo with gh IMO.. but that is just my personal opinion.. if she uses all 3, RS gave you nice dosages.. i mean the results will be great!
4)keep an eye on her cardio.. too much is not necessarily a good thing! diet manipulation is better and controlled and consistent cardio is key.. she wants to maintain all muscularity and granted the primo and clen will help, too much cardio with T3 can be quite damaging..

so.. no Winstrol (winny) gh, var and possibly primo tabs if they are legit.. t3 pyramid and clen cycling right through contest..

any other questions??

luv ya Buff
super

 

[Fyre]

I knew Supergirl would come to the rescue!! You rock girl!

 

[buffdoc]

I knew Supergirl would come to the rescue!! You rock girl!

I knew she would, too! Excellent info.
The ladies come through, as always.
BD