Caber/HCG
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THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
HCG will not help boost natural test levels-it will suppress them.
you can run the caber/prami anytime
you can run the caber/prami anytime
What?? Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will not boost natty test?? Doesn't it help increase LH?
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
it does but only while your shooting it-it sends out an "artificial LH signal". Clomid and Nolva actually boost your own LH signal.
i would not run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) unless i was suppressing my balls with an exogenous compound.
you could try some clomid or nolva
let me ask-why are your levels low? cycle history? stats?
i would not run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) unless i was suppressing my balls with an exogenous compound.
you could try some clomid or nolva
let me ask-why are your levels low? cycle history? stats?
E
estray
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Only when its suppressed from running a cycle.
Well I took crap prohormones back in Dec/Jan for 4 weeks and didn't really post cycle therapy (pct) until March (all I used was clomid). I recovered from 250 test to 400 but still not what I used to be based on feel/libido. So during the summer I got another blood test and the doc suggested to look at prolactin which turned out to be on the higher range. So now i'm here trying to figure out how to re-post cycle therapy (pct). Any thoughts? Caber/Clomid maybe??
Here are the ingredients:
Sus: Estra-4, 9-Diene-3, 17-Dione, 13-Ethyl-3-Methoxy-Gona-2, 5(10)-Diene-17-One 3, 17-Keto-Etiochol-
Tren:19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione is a progestin
Here are the ingredients:
Sus: Estra-4, 9-Diene-3, 17-Dione, 13-Ethyl-3-Methoxy-Gona-2, 5(10)-Diene-17-One 3, 17-Keto-Etiochol-
Tren:19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione is a progestin
AustinTX
New member
uh... if there is not a physilogical problem responding to LH causing low test in the first place (in which case LH would be high and test/free test still low), it will raise natural test levels and can be used for moderate testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to boost test levels, although it is generally less effective the older one is...
Regardless of effectiveness in raising test levels, it will not supress natural production.
AustinTX
New member
yes, you can use clomid as well to try to re-kick start your HPTA, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will not do that, it just artificially signals your testes to produce; when the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is cut the test levels would go back down... which is why you stop Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) when you start clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) so you can increase your natural LH production.
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Thanks. So if my response system is still intact (meaning no hypogonadism) then why hasn't my system recovered after 9 months?
I can think of one thing and thats simple as lifestyle.
I have brought this up in other posts but I sleep 4-5 hours a night and go on roller coaster diets where I eat 1000 cals some times.
But I'm really hoping its prolactin and I'll try to suppress with caber and get natty levels up with clomid.
I can think of one thing and thats simple as lifestyle.
I have brought this up in other posts but I sleep 4-5 hours a night and go on roller coaster diets where I eat 1000 cals some times.
But I'm really hoping its prolactin and I'll try to suppress with caber and get natty levels up with clomid.
you would be better off suppressing aromatase with either exemestane or an otc like AIFM.
do reccomend cabergoline (cabaser tabs only- though the pricey dostinex tabs are also fine) or pramipexole when prolactin is even implicated. If its over 10 then its more than implicated (just as a point of reference)-- you will note this is well within the "range". Range just means that you fall within the parameters OUTSIDE of disease states (does not mean that its optimal or even good).
Prami tends to be a lot more effective where there are physical and psychological issues (eg depression, libido, and anxiety)
aurapharm for cabaser tabs
researchstop for pramipexole solution
script or legitimate european pharmacy for prami tabs.
do reccomend cabergoline (cabaser tabs only- though the pricey dostinex tabs are also fine) or pramipexole when prolactin is even implicated. If its over 10 then its more than implicated (just as a point of reference)-- you will note this is well within the "range". Range just means that you fall within the parameters OUTSIDE of disease states (does not mean that its optimal or even good).
Prami tends to be a lot more effective where there are physical and psychological issues (eg depression, libido, and anxiety)
aurapharm for cabaser tabs
researchstop for pramipexole solution
script or legitimate european pharmacy for prami tabs.
My prolactin was 12 so you are right within range but still high.
I thought aromatase inhibitors like exe, letro, or anastozole kill libido?
So you would go with an AI/Caber over clomid/caber?
What would happen if I did an AI/Caber/Clomid? Is that estrogen overkill.
What are some otc AIFM?
I thought aromatase inhibitors like exe, letro, or anastozole kill libido?
So you would go with an AI/Caber over clomid/caber?
What would happen if I did an AI/Caber/Clomid? Is that estrogen overkill.
What are some otc AIFM?
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THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
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IncreasedMyT @ ULV
good point-but in that case Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would only be effective if he planned on staying on it indefineatley-he is trying to get back to normal-so Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would do nothing to help him.
correct me if i am wrong but i am pretty sure Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is suppressive? this is why we stop Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before pct.
Well my thought was as follows:
People who go on long cycles tend to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in order to kick start testicles.
I figure since I am semi-shutdown its equivalent of being on cycle for that long of a peroid. So why not do two weeks of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and then clomid.
People who go on long cycles tend to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in order to kick start testicles.
I figure since I am semi-shutdown its equivalent of being on cycle for that long of a peroid. So why not do two weeks of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and then clomid.
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
i just dont think it is necessary-unless your are taking something that is suppressing your boy's-and in the long run i dont think it will help. im sure these guys will follow up and explain in more detail-but for now i like Macros rec.
keep in mind Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) creates aromatose activity.
keep in mind Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) creates aromatose activity.
Right but aside from blood tests the way I know my system is shutdown is by libido and obv. thats my number one concern. So I heard letro kills libido but given thats an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) wouldn't EXE or ANa do the same?? And do you take AI's with Serms and I guess caber?
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
well what suppresses libido is driving estrogen too low-you only need a small amount for function-so as long as you do not over do it with Exemestane-then it will not mess with your libido.
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
yes you take Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with SERM.
AI reduces estrogen
SERM blocks estrogen-so sometimes when people use a SERM for Estrogen control-since they were just blocking it and it still builds in your system-then you can rebound-
AI reduces estrogen
SERM blocks estrogen-so sometimes when people use a SERM for Estrogen control-since they were just blocking it and it still builds in your system-then you can rebound-
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
you can run caber yearlong.
