can you be too pumped?

[bitterdregs]

Worked out intermittently my entire life after high school sports, and I've always done reps with a squeeze at the peak contraction. With recent diagnosis of low T, I've started test cyp at 150mg/week from my endo.

Now I notice that when I lift- take arms for example, they feel so pumped that I can barely feel the squeeze at the top of the rep (or extension for tris). The cool thing is that with even this little amount of T I'm already gaining some mass (why the h3ll didn't I do this earlier?), but I honestly can't tell when I'm in the building zone. I just try to max out until I can't lift anymore. It's not for a couple hours after that I can flex and feel the peak of the flex.

Is this just the pump I should expect from test? so all is good and I should just be happy with the improvement?

This is of particular interest since I'm about to start with IMT and double my weekly T injection. I like what I'm seeing, but it's kinda hilarious to feel all pumped up when it seems like I've hardly worked out!

 

[donjob]

no, you can't be too pumped. but also remember a pump has nothing to do with muscle growth. just be careful to not over train.

 

[StanG]

A pump is a pain in the ass. Like you pointed out it restricts your range of motion etc. When I used to run higher dose dbol I would get so disgusted I felt like walking out of the gym...felt so tight ad could do like 2/3 motion. It can suck.

 

[Youngblood43]

no, you can't be too pumped. but also remember a pump has nothing to do with muscle growth. just be careful to not over train.

recent studies by many different people say that u are wrong. This is also why many bodybuilders have adopted the fst-7 training, which stimulates muscle growth by stretching the fascia, which is caused from the muscle pump. "Ultimately, muscles need blood to work effectively and recover quickly after exertion. If the muscles are working effectively, muscle growth will result. Muscle growth will also result from the fascial stretching that occurs when the muscle is pumped beyond its normal size. When this fascial layer (which can be found between the skin and the muscle) is stretched, room for continued muscle growth is made available. Over time, the pump will also create a greater number of capillaries (tiny blood vessels), which will, in turn, provide the muscles with more nutrients and oxygen and allow for larger pumps and more growth in the long term".

 

[donjob]

recent studies by many different people say that u are wrong. This is also why many bodybuilders have adopted the fst-7 training, which stimulates muscle growth by stretching the fascia, which is caused from the muscle pump. "Ultimately, muscles need blood to work effectively and recover quickly after exertion. If the muscles are working effectively, muscle growth will result. Muscle growth will also result from the fascial stretching that occurs when the muscle is pumped beyond its normal size. When this fascial layer (which can be found between the skin and the muscle) is stretched, room for continued muscle growth is made available. Over time, the pump will also create a greater number of capillaries (tiny blood vessels), which will, in turn, provide the muscles with more nutrients and oxygen and allow for larger pumps and more growth in the long term".

well for one thing, how much bigger do you think your muscles are from a pump? let's say cold and unflexed your arm measures 16" exactly. with a pump what doyou think it may measure? 16 1/16"? 16 1/8" maybe? you think that's eough to effectively stretch the fascia for beter growth? hardly. there are actual fasca stretches, and they aren't something you learn by just half ass reading an article on bodybuilding.com. next are these studie youspeak of. just about every damn study out there on body building, weightlifting, or an type of athletic training is done by scientists with no history of lifing, and they use subjects most of the time who DO NOT LIFT. they throw them into some stupid ass routine and measure weight gai, weigh loss, hypertrophy, etc. depending on the study. how about we get 5 professional body builders as the control group with 5 professional bodybuilders as the test group, all roughly the same build, same weight, same amount of experience, same gender, roughly same age and the same ethnicity. now do your cute little fucking experiment. now i DIDN'T say when you are experiencing a pump you ARE NOT INDUCING HYPERTROPHY. just that you can experience a pump without inducing hypertrophy. CAN. the pump is simply engorging your muscles with anexcess amount of blood. i can do that buy curling a ten pound straight bar with both arms for countless reps. is that the best way to induce hypertrophy or the best size gains? FUCK NO. your biceps are extremely easy to get a good pump in, your quads and hams.... not so much. so tell me after months of squatting and progresively overoading week to week or every other week using a simple 5x5 program, your legs have probably grown an inch or two, yet you never really expeienced a pump in your thighs? all i was saying is it isn't necessary to get a pump for hypertrophy purposes, and just because you got a pump doesn't mean you hit it 100% effectively for the most growth. i never meant that you aren't inducing hypertrphy because you got apump, or that the pump is bad. i was just shooting back a quick response to an otherwise very simple question. sorry if it came off as the pump ain't shit or that you aren't doing anythng by getting apump.

 

[donjob]

by the way you bodybuilder types take your shit way too seriously. nobody's attacking your precious pump. besides i put on 20 pouns naturally and 10 pounds with a light cycle in 8 months using mainly barbell lifts, powerlifting type training, oly lifts, hardy any isolation, bodybuilder type exercises. all the while maintaining my 10% body fat, maybe 1 or 2 pounds of my gains was fat, honestly really not though. all this with not giving two shits about the "pump". bigger weights with low reps, cycling through 65% with higher sets, to 80% with moderate sets to 90% with less sets. no overdoing he assistance lifts only use the assistance lifts you need to bring up weak points in your big compound lifts. just food for thought.in no way bashing bodybuilding though.

 

[bitterdregs]

Wow, well now, y'all seem to have kissed and made up

so to ask the question a little differently, when the muscle gets full quickly and the range of motion gets limited, what measure do you guys use to know when you've done "enough". I've really enjoyed the pump, and I'll have to measure, but based on comments from coworkers, it's more significant than 0.125in... I'll measure next time bc I'm curious now that you've mentioned it.

So how about some workout advice to know how much farther to go once the pump hits and the ROM gets limited?

BTW, I keep thinking of the line in Pumping Iron where there's in the gym talking about the good pump they got. after almost 41years I finally GET it.

 

[juced_porkchop]

In my op there is no such thing as "too much pump" >:-D

 

[donjob]

Wow, well now, y'all seem to have kissed and made up

so to ask the question a little differently, when the muscle gets full quickly and the range of motion gets limited, what measure do you guys use to know when you've done "enough". I've really enjoyed the pump, and I'll have to measure, but based on comments from coworkers, it's more significant than 0.125in... I'll measure next time bc I'm curious now that you've mentioned it.

So how about some workout advice to know how much farther to go once the pump hits and the ROM gets limited?

BTW, I keep thinking of the line in Pumping Iron where there's in the gym talking about the good pump they got. after almost 41years I finally GET it.

well as far as rom goes once you start getting an insane pump, i would just continue to rep it out. however by that point you may have done enough already anyways, it depends man. everyone is different. like say for biceps, you're doing seated incline db curls. your range of motion if limited in that exercise anyways, but say you can't do anymore effectively, switch to preacher curl and start hitting the short head. or give em a 5 minute rest, hit a different muscle group you are working that day, massage it, stretch it, get a couple more sets in.

 

[Youngblood43]

well for one thing, how much bigger do you think your muscles are from a pump? let's say cold and unflexed your arm measures 16" exactly. with a pump what doyou think it may measure? 16 1/16"? 16 1/8" maybe? you think that's eough to effectively stretch the fascia for beter growth? hardly. there are actual fasca stretches, and they aren't something you learn by just half ass reading an article on bodybuilding.com. next are these studie youspeak of. just about every damn study out there on body building, weightlifting, or an type of athletic training is done by scientists with no history of lifing, and they use subjects most of the time who DO NOT LIFT. they throw them into some stupid ass routine and measure weight gai, weigh loss, hypertrophy, etc. depending on the study. how about we get 5 professional body builders as the control group with 5 professional bodybuilders as the test group, all roughly the same build, same weight, same amount of experience, same gender, roughly same age and the same ethnicity. now do your cute little fucking experiment. now i DIDN'T say when you are experiencing a pump you ARE NOT INDUCING HYPERTROPHY. just that you can experience a pump without inducing hypertrophy. CAN. the pump is simply engorging your muscles with anexcess amount of blood. i can do that buy curling a ten pound straight bar with both arms for countless reps. is that the best way to induce hypertrophy or the best size gains? FUCK NO. your biceps are extremely easy to get a good pump in, your quads and hams.... not so much. so tell me after months of squatting and progresively overoading week to week or every other week using a simple 5x5 program, your legs have probably grown an inch or two, yet you never really expeienced a pump in your thighs? all i was saying is it isn't necessary to get a pump for hypertrophy purposes, and just because you got a pump doesn't mean you hit it 100% effectively for the most growth. i never meant that you aren't inducing hypertrphy because you got apump, or that the pump is bad. i was just shooting back a quick response to an otherwise very simple question. sorry if it came off as the pump ain't shit or that you aren't doing anythng by getting apump.

Haha chill bro, man some of you guys just need to relax a bit. I didn't mean for this to turn into argument, I just don't agree with "he pump has nothbg to do with growth", because it does. Now is that the best way or only way to achieve hypertrophy, no not at all. And it also depends on the person as well. Personally I thnk the best way to achieve the most growth is doing both high volume high reps for the pump and then switch it up after awhile and and do very heavy weight, like 5x5-8. oh and also you can still get a great pump with heavy weight low reps just have to have perfect form, very slow and controlled movements and squeeze the muscle. No matter wat style of training i Always get a skin bursting pump.

 

[Youngblood43]

Wow, well now, y'all seem to have kissed and made up

so to ask the question a little differently, when the muscle gets full quickly and the range of motion gets limited, what measure do you guys use to know when you've done "enough". I've really enjoyed the pump, and I'll have to measure, but based on comments from coworkers, it's more significant than 0.125in... I'll measure next time bc I'm curious now that you've mentioned it.

So how about some workout advice to know how much farther to go once the pump hits and the ROM gets limited?

BTW, I keep thinking of the line in Pumping Iron where there's in the gym talking about the good pump they got. after almost 41years I finally GET it.

Yea I think ur coworkers r right, ur muscles swell with 4x as much blood, my biceps are 19" relaxed, and 20.5-21.with pump currently.