Check this cycle out. Tell me what you think.

[cyto33]

So anyone who gave you advise without knowing your stats in incompetent.....FYI

So I'd wait till your atleaste 24. You should take advantage oF ALL YOUR NATURAL GROWTH. I GREW AN IN BETWEEN 24 AND 25. 6'1'' IS A LOT BETTER THAN 6'.

so this is directed at me. well i know from other post what he was and how old. i knew he was a young 20.
this is an adult and yes if they are going to run it they better do it right.
he is going to do it anyhow. I'm not his father neither is anyone else on here
so if im incompetent for telling him how to do it right. then i better tell them all to just eat food and drink water even tho this is a steroid forum and they are of age to make their own minds up.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Gixxer buy the D-anbal from Jp it's s great alternative that is stronger than Dbol with out the negative sides. I used the compound years ago to gain 20 pounds. It will take a while longer but the gains you will keep and you won't have the negatives to deal with.

 

[gkixxerr]

how can you graduate high school in 08 and already be 21 in 2010?

Dude, I fucked around and failed a year. Smoking pot everyday, and skiping 90% of my classes. You live, and you learn. What else can I say. Should have graduated in 07, but hey.

 

[gkixxerr]

how can you graduate high school in 08 and already be 21 in 2010?

Damn, lol.

Everone was on top of that shit. Haha. But seriously, I did get held back because I was a dumbass my freshman year in HS.

21, TRUST ME, I would know. Lol Got a mustache and everything. HeHe.

I admit, I know I am too young for this shit. I just see the opportunity and I just feel like jumping on it. I will honestly probably wait, even after I get the gear. Just wait, and train a little longer, whether it be a year, or 6 months. I've talked to some of the older guys I know that have used in the past, that are 40+ now and used when it was legal, and they suggest I wait a little while longer.

I am just clarifying this cycle is good for when I do start. I think it would make a good first cycle.

 

[gkixxerr]

nolva on its own not with the clomid.
hcg @ 500iu is plenty and you would need to get BA water with it.

I'll run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) alongside my cycle, but would I stop, when it came time for PCT?

 

[cyto33]

I'll run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) alongside my cycle, but would I stop, when it came time for PCT?

Yes.

 

[RJ]

Gixxer buy the D-anbal from Jp it's s great alternative that is stronger than Dbol with out the negative sides. I used the compound years ago to gain 20 pounds. It will take a while longer but the gains you will keep and you won't have the negatives to deal with.

man all these claims of tremendous muscle gains you must be a ripped 400lbs DPR!!

 

[RJ]

I admit, I know I am too young for this shit. I just see the opportunity and I just feel like jumping on it. I will honestly probably wait, even after I get the gear. Just wait, and train a little longer, whether it be a year, or 6 months. I've talked to some of the older guys I know that have used in the past, that are 40+ now and used when it was legal, and they suggest I wait a little while longer.

I am just clarifying this cycle is good for when I do start. I think it would make a good first cycle.

sorry brother, but this post is bullshit. If you buy gear, you will use said gear as soon as you can. Trust me. And why say that anyway. We all know you'll use it, so just be honest with yourself so you don't fuck yourself up.

Yes, a basic cycle you have laid out is fine. post cycle therapy (pct) is fine either way. Have AIs just in case, or use them throughout, doesn't matter, either way will work.

And just so you know going forward, you don't do Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during post cycle therapy (pct) because Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is suppressive (means it will stop) to the HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis [which is basically your nuts trying to produce natural test]) so its counter-productive to take it during post cycle therapy (pct).

 

[gkixxerr]

sorry brother, but this post is bullshit. If you buy gear, you will use said gear as soon as you can. Trust me. And why say that anyway. We all know you'll use it, so just be honest with yourself so you don't fuck yourself up.

Yes, a basic cycle you have laid out is fine. post cycle therapy (pct) is fine either way. Have AIs just in case, or use them throughout, doesn't matter, either way will work.

And just so you know going forward, you don't do Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during post cycle therapy (pct) because Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is suppressive (means it will stop) to the HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis [which is basically your nuts trying to produce natural test]) so its counter-productive to take it during post cycle therapy (pct).

I thank you ALL for your advise, but man, why are you all the time trying to call peoples BS? I am not going to start saying a bunch of BS. If I say it, I mean it.

Reason I am going ahead and getting this gear is because, what if for some reason I dont have this connect 6months to a year from now?

Like you said, I will use it and everyone knows that. However, I am going to hold off on it for maybe 6 months or so.

 

[gkixxerr]

Yes.

Okay, thanks.

 

[gkixxerr]

CYCLE
1-12 Test E - 500mg/Wk [Possibly Test Sustanon]
1-4 Dbol - 20mg/ed
1-12 HCG - 500iu/ed

PCT - Nolvadex
[Week 1 - 40mg/ed] [Week 2 - 40mg/ed] [Week 3 - 30mg/ed] [Week 4 - 20mg/ed] - Done.

I know I over think these things, but I have done this all my life, and it doens't seem to be changing anytime soon; it's all I really know.

If I don't feel I have everything 100% in order, and the way it is should be, I don't feel I have it right. This is why all the threads, as well as all the post.

Example, with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), I was told to run it, but not with the post cycle therapy (pct). Here is what is running through my mind... Don't run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with post cycle therapy (pct). Ok. Well, do I run it until the end of the cycle, or run it up until the post cycle therapy (pct). Things like that, I over think like crazy.

Stupid, yes.

...EDIT...
I was reading that nolvadex in some cases actually makes gyno worse. This is why is it always a good idea to have aromasin on hand. Correct?

 

[cyto33]

right up to the day before post cycle therapy (pct) starts.

 

[yadi79]

1-4 dbol 40mg/day

1-12: 500mg Test E

1-17: 12.5mg Aromasin ED

3-13: 500 IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) per week

14-17: 50mg Clomid ED

 

[gkixxerr]

1-4 dbol 40mg/day

1-12: 500mg Test E

1-17: 12.5mg Aromasin ED

3-13: 500 IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) per week

14-17: 50mg Clomid ED

500iu a week?

I read that 500iu daily is what I should be taking to kick the natural test back up. Make the nads start working again.

 

[yadi79]

Ive been told 500iu/week.. and I searched most ppl do this amount.. but my experience is 500iu/2 week... this works good for me..

I have seen some ppl take 500iu a day.. but not sure if that is needed.. I notice that 500iu/week is good for 4 days for me.. my balls shrink.. but after taking 1000iu/week.. my balls are full.. and notice I cum alot..haha

 

[scotimusprime]

500 iu per day would be if you didnt take any during cycle. if you take it the whole time 500 a week is good

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Your maturation regarding constructive criticism has evolved considerably since earlier posts. RJH has a valid point regarding age related incompetence regarding AAS implementation. However, knowing your history from previous posts I feel I am able to offer judicious advice regarding your cycle implementation. RJH and I can fight about growth plates another time.

With regards to your post cycle therapy (pct) bear in mind the testosterone esters not only dictate injection timing but also dictate the length of time between last injection and post cycle therapy (pct). If you utilize Sust 250 a three week wait is warranted due to the cypionate ester. However, enanthate only requires two weeks. Propionate would be 3 days. Bear that in mind with regards to post cycle therapy (pct) scheduling.

Further, the usage of 300mg clomid on day one can be rather drastic in terms of sides. I would recommend a 4 week protocol utilizing:
Week 1 100mg ED
Week 2 50mg ED
Week 3 50mg ED
Week 4 25mg ED

HCG should not be utilized during post cycle therapy (pct). Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) stimulates the release of LH and FSH. While not an exogenous source of testosterone it mimics the effects of the HPTA. Therefore, use during post cycle therapy (pct) hinders HPTA function initiation.

I would recommend you stick with just test to find your sweet spot regarding Aromatase inhibitor (AI) implementation prior to stacking with dbol. If you have a fire for some size then use propionate. It requires EOD pinning at a minimum but you get full effects within 2 weeks and you could find your sweet spot with regards to AI's and still run the dbol later in the cycle.

Longer esters like enanthate, however, take about 8 weeks so you won't have time to figure out what your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosage should be and implement the dbol.

Best of luck.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

...EDIT...
I was reading that nolvadex in some cases actually makes gyno worse. This is why is it always a good idea to have aromasin on hand. Correct?

That can SOMETIMES happen with 19-nors in the short run. Long term nolvadex will nullify progesterone's ability to bind. RJH and I busted that myth about a month ago. Was a pretty good thread had case studies and percentages. Might want to look it up.

 

[RJ]

With regards to your post cycle therapy (pct) bear in mind the testosterone esters not only dictate injection timing but also dictate the length of time between last injection and post cycle therapy (pct). If you utilize Sust 250 a three week wait is warranted due to the cypionate ester. However, enanthate only requires two weeks. Propionate would be 3 days. Bear that in mind with regards to post cycle therapy (pct) scheduling.

.

He meant decanoate.

And Gixxer, when i said bullshit, i wasn't being an asshole, I was simply stating you will have a very hard time staring at those vials of goodness for 6 months without actually using them. I know I would and I have great willpower.

Either way, again, you're overthinking, but thats not a bad thing in this game. Just don't change a bunch of shit every time you hear something new. Make a plan and stick to it. If it doesn't go EXACTLY according to plan, then write it down and remember it for the next cycle.

This game is about live and learn and personal experience. No study will be able to tell you exactly what will happen to YOU everytime. Only personal experience will.

P.S.

If you can't understand Hum's lingo, PM me for the decoder ring.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

He meant decanoate.

And Gixxer, when i said bullshit, i wasn't being an asshole, I was simply stating you will have a very hard time staring at those vials of goodness for 6 months without actually using them. I know I would and I have great willpower.

Either way, again, you're overthinking, but thats not a bad thing in this game. Just don't change a bunch of shit every time you hear something new. Make a plan and stick to it. If it doesn't go EXACTLY according to plan, then write it down and remember it for the next cycle.

This game is about live and learn and personal experience. No study will be able to tell you exactly what will happen to YOU everytime. Only personal experience will.

P.S.

If you can't understand Hum's lingo, PM me for the decoder ring.

Good catch RJH greens for that. As for my lingo no worries somniphobia from tren has got my IQ below nominal thresholds. Hence my absence from the boards lately. Anything I post in the near future should probably be scrutinized thoroughly.