hey guys, I am a division 1 college swimmer and I need a good cutting cylce for the summer that will obviously be out of my system for drug testing come fall. Also keep in mind that swimming is hard on your shoulders and I want to make sure my joints are ok. I have been recommened by many people to use Winstrol (winny) along with test prop, but after reading many of the posts, i noticed many of you say Winstrol (winny) is bad on your joints. I hear that its a good stack for since it will be out of my body by testing time. What about anavar and test prop? Anyway, if anyone could please help I would really appreciate it. I'm about 5'11" 180 lbs at about 12% BF. I need to lose some body fat. I'm a sprinter so I need that edge. Thanks.
college swimmer.....need help
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StoneColdNTO
Administrator
No steroids will make you lose body fat. A strict diet and cardio are all you need to accomplish your goal.
StoneColdNTO
Administrator
rob23 said:
I hope you are NOT serious. He has absolutely NO cycle experience.....that is terrible advice.
steel59
Dr. X
rob23 said:
Terrible cycle.... first off like StoneCold said he is a rookie... never cycled before.... Beyond that he is a D-I Swimmer.... They test!!! EQ will be in your system for a good 12 months... BAD ADVICE!
Better Advice:
If you are hell bent on doing a cycle dude... then I suggest you go with 100-150mg of Prop e3d.... It is a much lower dose then bodybuilders would use but for what you want it may be just the thing to give you an edge and help you with your goals... you should also be clean for a test within 2-4 weeks of your last shot.... This dose will help build some lean mass but will not cause you to have many of the sides you will see decribed here... non-the-less do yourself a favor and read up on post cycle therapy (pct) you will need it when your cycle is complete.... If you can afford 20-30mg of Var per day it may not be a bad Idea as well... however I would expect some muscle cramps this summer while Training if you are using that.
Good Luck
GymLift
New member
That top swimmer in this past Olympics (no idea on the name, but he is a guy from the USA I think) doesn't even lift. Keep training (be it swimming or lifting) and clean up your diet. You already do the cardio (not sure how much, but...); that's the hardest part for me. Fixing up your diet has many many benefits anyway.
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Vanderlei
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I did a lot looking around also on this because a pro athlete.
I'll be starting a cycle soon and I'm in the same situation with the drug tests.
I was going to do a Test. Propinate/Anavar/Winstrol cycle, but after looking around a lot and talking to a lot of people I droped the Winstrol (winny) because of the risk of joint and tendon damage.
However, anavar is too expesive!
So now my cycle will be Propinate & Turanabol.
Turanabol (Oral Turinabol) from all accounts and all the reading I did is cheaper and better than Anavar.
Is worth checking in to it.
A lot of guys here will tell you that if you want to cut up you'll have to work on your diet. That is a sad truth
Good luck
I'll be starting a cycle soon and I'm in the same situation with the drug tests.
I was going to do a Test. Propinate/Anavar/Winstrol cycle, but after looking around a lot and talking to a lot of people I droped the Winstrol (winny) because of the risk of joint and tendon damage.
However, anavar is too expesive!
So now my cycle will be Propinate & Turanabol.
Turanabol (Oral Turinabol) from all accounts and all the reading I did is cheaper and better than Anavar.
Is worth checking in to it.
A lot of guys here will tell you that if you want to cut up you'll have to work on your diet. That is a sad truth
Good luck
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Vanderlei
Guest
Can talk prices in this board, people get mad. But I can tell you that it is a lot cheaper than Anavar, around half.
From what I read on the net and in a book "Steroids 101", it stays in your system for 7 to 10 days and the propinate for about 2 weeks.
Got this info from Steroid.com
"Oral-Turinabol is an oral steroid which was developed during the early 1960's.
OT has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low -only a 6- and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milli-gram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. The athlete will certainly not get a puffy look as is the case with Test-osterone, Dianabol, and Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concen-tration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.
0.4 x pound (body weight) x days = number of tablets to take overall during the interval of intake
mg / tablet
An athlete weighing 200 pounds would take only 4 tablets of 5 mg (20mg/day.) In our experience bodybuilders take 8-10 tablets of 5 mg, that is 40-50 mg/day. Many enthusiastically report good results with this dosage: one builds a solid muscle mass, the strength gain is worthwhile seeing, the water retention is very low, and the estrogen-caused side effects are rare. Not without good reason OT is also popular among powerlifters and weightlifters who appreciate these characteristics.
Due to its characteristics OT is also a suitable steroid both for men and women in competitions. A usually very effective stack for male bodybuilders consists of 50 mg OT/day, 228 mg Parabolan/week, and 150 mg Winstrol Depot/week. Those who have brought their body fat content to a low level by dieting and/or by using fatburning substances (e.g. Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Salbutamol, Cytomel, Triacana), will find that the above steroid combination will manifest itself in hard, sharply-defined but still dense and full muscles. No enlarged breasts, no estrogen surplus, and no watery, puffy-look-ing muscle system. If OT were available on the U.S. black market for steroids, bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters would go crazy for this East German anabolic.
OT enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often-posed question regarding how many days before a test OT can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reli-able source that athletes who only take OT as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the com-pound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone.
The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposi-tion, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dos-ages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time. In men the already discussed reduced testosterone production can rarely be avoided. Gynecomastia occurs rarely with OT Since the response of the water and electrolyte household is not overly dis-tinct athletes only rarely report water retention and high blood pressure. Acne, gastrointestinal pain, and uncontrolled aggressive behavior are also the exception rather than the rule with OT An increased libido is reported in most cases by both sexes. Since the substance chlordehydromethyltestosterone is I 7-alpha alkylated the manufacturer in its package insert recommends that the liver func-tion be checked regularly since it can be negatively affected by high dosages and the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded. Thus OT is also a steroid that can be taken without interruption for long intervals. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg OT/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects. "
From what I read on the net and in a book "Steroids 101", it stays in your system for 7 to 10 days and the propinate for about 2 weeks.
Got this info from Steroid.com
"Oral-Turinabol is an oral steroid which was developed during the early 1960's.
OT has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low -only a 6- and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milli-gram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. The athlete will certainly not get a puffy look as is the case with Test-osterone, Dianabol, and Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concen-tration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.
0.4 x pound (body weight) x days = number of tablets to take overall during the interval of intake
mg / tablet
An athlete weighing 200 pounds would take only 4 tablets of 5 mg (20mg/day.) In our experience bodybuilders take 8-10 tablets of 5 mg, that is 40-50 mg/day. Many enthusiastically report good results with this dosage: one builds a solid muscle mass, the strength gain is worthwhile seeing, the water retention is very low, and the estrogen-caused side effects are rare. Not without good reason OT is also popular among powerlifters and weightlifters who appreciate these characteristics.
Due to its characteristics OT is also a suitable steroid both for men and women in competitions. A usually very effective stack for male bodybuilders consists of 50 mg OT/day, 228 mg Parabolan/week, and 150 mg Winstrol Depot/week. Those who have brought their body fat content to a low level by dieting and/or by using fatburning substances (e.g. Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Salbutamol, Cytomel, Triacana), will find that the above steroid combination will manifest itself in hard, sharply-defined but still dense and full muscles. No enlarged breasts, no estrogen surplus, and no watery, puffy-look-ing muscle system. If OT were available on the U.S. black market for steroids, bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters would go crazy for this East German anabolic.
OT enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often-posed question regarding how many days before a test OT can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reli-able source that athletes who only take OT as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the com-pound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone.
The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposi-tion, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dos-ages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time. In men the already discussed reduced testosterone production can rarely be avoided. Gynecomastia occurs rarely with OT Since the response of the water and electrolyte household is not overly dis-tinct athletes only rarely report water retention and high blood pressure. Acne, gastrointestinal pain, and uncontrolled aggressive behavior are also the exception rather than the rule with OT An increased libido is reported in most cases by both sexes. Since the substance chlordehydromethyltestosterone is I 7-alpha alkylated the manufacturer in its package insert recommends that the liver func-tion be checked regularly since it can be negatively affected by high dosages and the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded. Thus OT is also a steroid that can be taken without interruption for long intervals. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg OT/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects. "
DirkMoneyshot
Well-known member
GOod Luck finding "REAL" Oral Turinabol -
No real lab makes it, and your trusting your Underground Source with possibly your athletic career. Its typically a smaller amount of a stronger drug -
No real lab makes it, and your trusting your Underground Source with possibly your athletic career. Its typically a smaller amount of a stronger drug -
Johny J
never gonna be a ***
rob23 said:
tren shows up for like 5-6 months there, sparky.
i havent read anymore of this thread after this post, so sorry if i repeat what someone else says.
Personally, Test Prop would be perfect if you want to use a steroid, which i am not so sure is a good idea.
Work on your training more, conditioning, etc. I would be willing to be with tweaks tyo your diet and training, you would get the results you weant and not have to wowrry about getting booted from school and legal problems.
Well first off, imo if you are set on using something i'd try to stick with a winny/test cycle, just suck it up your joints will be fine i played football at the college level for 4 years and i used Winstrol (winny) every year, yeah my joints hurt but fuck i just sucked it up the pros definitly out weighed the cons. most swimmers i see arent wieghing 225lbs and benching 400, so i don't even know how much you really need something. my real point id like to make though is you're a division 1 swimmer whos trying to lean out before summer, every swimmer ive ever seen has been cut as fuck. how can you be a division 1 swimmer and not have your diet in check enough to be hard up enough to used steroids to "cut down", i would think your training would be enough.
steel59
Dr. X
mranak said:
I really don't think the dudes problem is fat per se.... he's 12%... that's not terrible for an athlete... athletes need a little extra fat.... I think he is just looking for an edge to beat out some competition...
Var would be better then Winstrol (winny) IMHO... If you look around you can find it at a reasonable price. But like I said it's not mandatory... Just a light dose of test prop will help you get done what you want.
big-tymer
yeah buddy
I agree with alot of the diet comments.. however you may want to do a cycle of tren or Winstrol (winny), that should keep you lean and give you some strength gains..
if your joints etc are bothering you that bad you could add some glucosamine to your rigimen..
Ultimatly if you want that edge. eat - sleep - train - repeat.
if your joints etc are bothering you that bad you could add some glucosamine to your rigimen..
Ultimatly if you want that edge. eat - sleep - train - repeat.
MikeRobichaud
New member
I'd avoid the tren as it's got a detection time of 4-5 months. I think the best one in your situation has been stated above. Winstrol (winny) (detection ~3 weeks) and test prop (detection ~2 weeks)
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Vanderlei
Guest
DirkMoneyshot said:
BD makes OT.
