Consultant selling me or is this the real way to PCT

[tallglassofwater]

Ok I have a consultant that I get all my gear prescribed to me from. Sometimes I wonder if he is trying to sell me more gear or giving me solid advice. Anyway here is the cycle I just got done with.

10 weeks sust 250@ 500mgs a week and Deca @ 600mgs a week.


Just took my last shot. I was told to wait 20 days then start running hcg. The way I was told to run the hcg was two big shots 1@ 5000ius then 1@2500ius then 10 days of shots @ 500ius. During this I was told to run clomid for 30 days. I dont remember the dose of the clomid he suggested.

What would be the correct way to use hcg and clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). I am confused and I think my consultant is just trying to sell me more stuff because my cycle is over. I did gain 20+ pounds on this cycle and I would like to try to keep at least half of that.

 

[DADAWG]

Ok I have a consultant that I get all my gear prescribed to me from. Sometimes I wonder if he is trying to sell me more gear or giving me solid advice. Anyway here is the cycle I just got done with.

10 weeks sust 250@ 500mgs a week and Deca @ 600mgs a week.


Just took my last shot. I was told to wait 20 days then start running hcg. The way I was told to run the hcg was two big shots 1@ 5000ius then 1@2500ius then 10 days of shots @ 500ius. During this I was told to run clomid for 30 days. I dont remember the dose of the clomid he suggested.

What would be the correct way to use hcg and clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). I am confused and I think my consultant is just trying to sell me more stuff because my cycle is over. I did gain 20+ pounds on this cycle and I would like to try to keep at least half of that.

you should have been running hcg during the cycle and not during the post cycle therapy (pct) , clomid for 30 days depening on the dose is fine but that hcg dose seems way high to me .

 

[JohnnyB]

HCG should of been run during the cycle, 5000iu will make your testes desensitized to LH, which will hinder you post cycle therapy (pct). You can do 300iu ed for 10 days, it's not going to help as much as if you would of run it during the cycle, but it'll help some.

Here's a study showing 1500iu causing the testes to be desensitized.

Posted by hhajdo at S’ology

Differential effect of single high dose and divided small dose administration of human chorionic gonadotropin on Leydig cell steroidogenic desensitization.

Smals AG, Pieters GF, Boers GH, Raemakers JM, Hermus AR, Benraad TJ, Kloppenborg PW.

This study compared the effect of a single high dose of hCG (1500 IU) with that of the same dose administered in multiple small doses (300 IU, once daily for 5 days) on Leydig cell steroidogenesis. Administration of a single high dose of hCG to seven healthy men raised the mean plasma testosterone (T) level to peak levels 2.1 +/- 0.2 (SEM) X the baseline value at 48 h. Thereafter plasma T decreased to below normal (0.7 +/- 0.1 X baseline) 7 days after the injection. The mean 17-hydroxyprogesterone (17-OHP) level peaked at 24 h (2.5 +/- 0.2 X baseline) and then also fell to a nadir value of 0.6 +/- 0.2 X baseline on day 7. Reflecting the early accumulation of 17-OHP over T, the 17 OHP/T ratio reached its maximum (1.6 +/- 0.1 X baseline) at 24 h at the same time when plasma estradiol [(E2) 4.4 +/- 0.6 X baseline] and the ratio E2/T (2.7 +/- 0.3 X baseline) achieved their maximal values. Administration of 1500 IU hCG in five divided doses of 300 IU daily increased the mean plasma T levels to peak value of 2.1 +/- 0.2 X baseline at 5 days and the levels remained elevated thereafter. The response of T as reflected by the area under the curve was almost twice as great as in the single dose study (2844 +/- 360 vs. 1647 +/- 214). In contrast to the single high dose experiment, mean plasma 17-OHP levels in the divided dose protocol did not peak at 24 h but only gradually increased. As the increase of T exceeded the 17-OHP increase at almost all time intervals, no accumulation of 17-OHP over T occurred as in the single dose experiment. Instead the 17-OHP/T ratio fell to a nadir value of 0.6 +/- 0.1 X baseline on day 7. The initial E2 peak was absent in the divided dose protocol and the E2/T ratio only marginally increased. Considering both experiments together a close relation was found between the hCG-induced increases in E2 and 17-OHP (r = +0.88, P less than 0.001), as well as the ratio 17 OHP/T (r = +0.64, P less than 0.02).

JohnnyB

 

[DocJ]

That's what I consider the "old school" way of using HCG for post cycle therapy (pct) purposes. In answer to your question: no I don't believe he's trying to pull one over on you but the way JohnnyB and Dadawg have instructed you to use HCG is rapidly becoming the more preferred method of it's use. Read up on post cycle therapy (pct) on this site as it's a VERY important part of cycling AAS.

 

[tallglassofwater]

I understand that you can use Hcg during your cycle. I am going to use it for post cycle therapy (pct) since I did not use it during. what doses are good to run the HCg post cycle. Also I would like to take the clomid I have. Again I am not sure what dose I should take. I have been told to wait 20 days after my last injection before starting post cycle therapy (pct). I got some great gains from my cycle.

 

[Vegas]

what doses are good to run the HCg post cycle.

Here is one way to use HCG during post cycle therapy (pct). It is not a protocol I particularly like or would recommend but it is one theory that some users have reportedly used and benefited from:

http://www.healthandfitnesstalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83184&highlight=anthony+roberts

 

[DocJ]

I understand that you can use Hcg during your cycle. I am going to use it for post cycle therapy (pct) since I did not use it during. what doses are good to run the HCg post cycle. Also I would like to take the clomid I have. Again I am not sure what dose I should take. I have been told to wait 20 days after my last injection before starting post cycle therapy (pct). I got some great gains from my cycle.

You need to wait 20 days for the sust/deca to completely clear your system. Otherwise, you'll be starting post cycle therapy (pct) while there's still Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) in your system.