Creatine in Protien Shake?
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benson4444
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Well talk more tommorrow i have to get some beauty rest. Cool?
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benson4444
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Frosty, have you everheard of glucagon? And that the liver produces it in response to any protein.
benson4444
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My shake only contains 4 grams of carbs per serv and 2 grams of sugar. Its gnc brand. And it depends which sugars are digested. Some sugars have a stronger impact on insulin response than others.
What im saying is that regardless of what protein is injested the liver will produce glucagon and not an insulin response.
The insulin brings the blood sugar down and the glucagon brings the blood sugar up(source of energy when starving or on a high protein diet aka atkins.)
The glucagon cancels the insulin out and therefore making the cells less perceptive of creatine, because the insulin opens up the cells gates and allows creatine to be absorbed. Glucagon on the other hand shuts these gates. Glucagon reserves only for about an hour of intense training.
Glucagon does the opposite of insulin, so taking creatine with a high protein shake will make the cells less susceptible to absorb creatine.
It probably sounds like im redundant just ignore it. It sounds like the only thing we dissagree with is if whey protein illicts an insulin response or not. I have read however that whey protein does illicit an IGF-1 response which is similar to insulin but does have different effects on the body.
What im saying is that regardless of what protein is injested the liver will produce glucagon and not an insulin response.
The insulin brings the blood sugar down and the glucagon brings the blood sugar up(source of energy when starving or on a high protein diet aka atkins.)
The glucagon cancels the insulin out and therefore making the cells less perceptive of creatine, because the insulin opens up the cells gates and allows creatine to be absorbed. Glucagon on the other hand shuts these gates. Glucagon reserves only for about an hour of intense training.
Glucagon does the opposite of insulin, so taking creatine with a high protein shake will make the cells less susceptible to absorb creatine.
It probably sounds like im redundant just ignore it. It sounds like the only thing we dissagree with is if whey protein illicts an insulin response or not. I have read however that whey protein does illicit an IGF-1 response which is similar to insulin but does have different effects on the body.
Frosty
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If whey stimulates a glucagon response that cancels the insulin, then why does whey produce and insulin response? Either it's not enough to cancel it or there is no glucagon response.
And if you take your whey with carbs, the combined insulin response is higher than carbs alone. Why would it be higher if glucagon neutralized it?
And if you take your whey with carbs, the combined insulin response is higher than carbs alone. Why would it be higher if glucagon neutralized it?
Frosty
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Here we go:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12163658
"Despite the higher carbohydrate content of the MS, the peptide hydrolysates elicited a peak insulin response that was two and four times greater than that evoked by the MS and glucose solutions, respectively (P < 0.05). The insulin response was closely related to the increase in plasma amino acids, especially leucine, isoleucine, valine, phenylalanine and arginine, regardless of the rate of gastric emptying. The three protein solutions elicited similar increases of plasma glucagon; however, the response was fastest for both peptide hydrolysates (P < 0.05) and more prolonged for the MS (P < 0.05). The glucagon response was linearly related to the increase in plasma amino acids, regardless of the rate of gastric emptying or meal composition (r = 0.93, r = 0.96 and r = 0.78, all P < 0.05, for the PPH, WPH and MS)."
The insulin response is higher when the blood amino acid levels increase faster, but glucagon levels are the same for the same amount of proteins. The glucagon levels were similar in fast digesting and slow digesting proteins, but the fast digesting proteins produced 2 and 4 times greater an insulin response than the slow digesting protein solutions.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12163658
"Despite the higher carbohydrate content of the MS, the peptide hydrolysates elicited a peak insulin response that was two and four times greater than that evoked by the MS and glucose solutions, respectively (P < 0.05). The insulin response was closely related to the increase in plasma amino acids, especially leucine, isoleucine, valine, phenylalanine and arginine, regardless of the rate of gastric emptying. The three protein solutions elicited similar increases of plasma glucagon; however, the response was fastest for both peptide hydrolysates (P < 0.05) and more prolonged for the MS (P < 0.05). The glucagon response was linearly related to the increase in plasma amino acids, regardless of the rate of gastric emptying or meal composition (r = 0.93, r = 0.96 and r = 0.78, all P < 0.05, for the PPH, WPH and MS)."
The insulin response is higher when the blood amino acid levels increase faster, but glucagon levels are the same for the same amount of proteins. The glucagon levels were similar in fast digesting and slow digesting proteins, but the fast digesting proteins produced 2 and 4 times greater an insulin response than the slow digesting protein solutions.
benson4444
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Good show i say. well done. A couple more questions.
These proteins were administered with glucose, what if the protein was given by itself?Does that affect the insulin and glucagon?
So whey protein illicits an insulin and glucagon response? Is this because of the fast digestion?
These proteins were administered with glucose, what if the protein was given by itself?Does that affect the insulin and glucagon?
So whey protein illicits an insulin and glucagon response? Is this because of the fast digestion?
Frosty
Pro Bodybuilder
benson4444 said:
There were four drinks:
15g glucose in 600mL solution
about 33g of pea peptide hydrolysate
about 33g of whey peptide hydrolysate
600 mL of milk
"Peptide hydrolysates elicited a faster increase in venous plasma amino acids than did MS (P < 0.05). Despite the higher carbohydrate content of the MS, the peptide hydrolysates elicited a peak insulin response that was two and four times greater than that evoked by the MS and glucose solutions, respectively (P < 0.05)."
This says that the peptide hydrolysate solutions elicited a peak insulin response that was two times the milk solution and four times the glucose solution.
The insulin response from whey is due to it's fast rise in blood amino acid levels.
benson4444
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on a different note, have you heard of methyl 1-test? How does it compare against anabolic steroids? Is it what its hyped up to be without the side effects?
benson4444
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Thanks
benson4444
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glycogen resynthesis? does that mean reabsorbtion? I dont quite follow, can you explain resynthesis. By the way how old are you and where are you from?
benson4444
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Maybe, since that glycogen converts to glucose, if the glucose isnt used its turned back into glycogen. i think you said that actually.
What kind of protein shake do you use? im looking for a new brand. Met Rx is too filling, i can only drink about 2-3 packets a day.
What kind of protein shake do you use? im looking for a new brand. Met Rx is too filling, i can only drink about 2-3 packets a day.
benson4444
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How about a specific protein from protein factory, there are a lot of choices. What do you mean customize your protein powder? Its only $15 for 5 pounds. is it cheaply made or something? I mean why is it only $15.
benson4444
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i figured out the customization. It is nice. What do you recommend for mass with out too much weight gain? What should i put in the mixture and what percentage?
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