Customs raw seizure question

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lycanjuice

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Sup guys.

A "friend" of mine recently had a seizure and I wanted feedback on a bizarre situation. There was about 5 50g packages of raw gear seized. The crazy thing is that customs seized all but one package of test. Why would they leave the single product in there? The gear is definitely legit, customs tested a similar shipment a few months prior and sent him a letter. Nothing as labeled at all but they still somehow knew what each packet contained. That brings my next question, does customs always run tests on raw gear entering the country they seize. The weirdest part is that they put a value of $210 on the seizure.

Any feedback would be great!
 
71Avido said:
It's time for your "friend" to clean house and lay low for a while.
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No kidding. He only has a few personal bottles in his house, stashed his supplies at a buddie's. Do you think after a few months he will be good to keep producing? He only makes enough for himself and a few friends. Nothing like a full on unground operation


Thanks for the replies
 
lycanjuice said:
No kidding. He only has a few personal bottles in his house, stashed his supplies at a buddie's. Do you think after a few months he will be good to keep producing? He only makes enough for himself and a few friends. Nothing like a full on unground operation


Thanks for the replies
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There really isn't any way to say either way with any degree of certainty.
It depends on how badly they want this guy, what system they have in place to get him and how ballsy this friend is.

Even if they're looking for him, there is still the very slim possibility that he could get something through.
For even attempting that though there is a serious lack of payout in the risk/reward model.
If your "friend" isn't manufacturing with intent to sell, what is the payoff for making such a risky move?

If LEO siezed 4/5ths of the last package, they're likely building a case against the recipient.
Why would anyone attempt to restart an operation while under the watchful eye of LEO?
 
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He figures it'll blow over considering they only valued his shipment at 200 bucks. He does sell but it is only a minor amount of gear, he's no big pusher by any means.

Good point about the risk/ reward
 
lycanjuice said:
He figures it'll blow over considering they only valued his shipment at 200 bucks. He does sell but it is only a minor amount of gear, he's no big pusher by any means.

Good point about the risk/ reward
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The valuation doesn't matter, it's a tactic.
What they were successfully able to do is prove that your buddy is receiving steroid powders.
They knew he was when he got that letter the first time, then they played the "Lets see if we can get this guy to slip up again" game and he got caught, again. Your buddy is on their radar in a big way. The weight he received doesn't matter much either, raw materials carry intent to manufacture charges which often come with distribution as well. If your bud signed for the package, he's in more trouble than he thinks.

When I say clean house I mean clean house.
No materials, no paraphernalia, no finished product, no recreational drugs, no equipment etc.
 
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lycanjuice said:
Sup guys.

A "friend" of mine recently had a seizure and I wanted feedback on a bizarre situation. There was about 5 50g packages of raw gear seized. The crazy thing is that customs seized all but one package of test. Why would they leave the single product in there? The gear is definitely legit, customs tested a similar shipment a few months prior and sent him a letter. Nothing as labeled at all but they still somehow knew what each packet contained. That brings my next question, does customs always run tests on raw gear entering the country they seize. The weirdest part is that they put a value of $210 on the seizure.

Any feedback would be great!
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if there was 5 packs then maybe they missed one.
they tested it and sent you letter before and you still ship to address?
dude.... get PO box or get sent to another spot...
If you are in USA then be extra careful, the laws there are asinine
 
lycanjuice said:
No kidding. He only has a few personal bottles in his house, stashed his supplies at a buddie's. Do you think after a few months he will be good to keep producing? He only makes enough for himself and a few friends. Nothing like a full on unground operation


Thanks for the replies
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Cops see a set up for making gear... its manufacturing man! dont matter of its small OP or mid OP they will want praise and push it to look at big and bad as possible..... a few months? no id say years. Its clear they are already investigating man.. that can go on for a long time, stop while ahead or tell buddy to move. not worth the risk IMO
 
Well, he had 1 seizure about 6 months ago at his place and moved shortly afterwards (coincidence with timing). The next package went to a friends place under that friends name (the one that had only one product in it) so there's no packages tied to his current address.

Does that make it any better?
 
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Maybe maybe not, it depends on the tactics that LEO is using.

If for example they're monitoring his communications (which is very likely), they'll know everything before the package even hits customs. In that scenario, everything from the conspiracy to import a scheduled drug, payment details, shipping information, tracking (if applicable) etc can be tied back to him.
 
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71Avido said:
Maybe maybe not, it depends on the tactics that LEO is using.

If for example they're monitoring his communications (which is very likely), they'll know everything before the package even hits customs. In that scenario, everything from payment details, shipping information, tracking etc can be tied back to him.
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That would explain why the second package was seized. We assumed the sender was flagged. With so many people running gear it seems so hard to fathom the police have the resources to go after every mom and pop operation.

Not to go into a rant but WTF. Is there no liberty these days without constant scrutiny? Im not sure where you all live but the US is going downhill in such a big way
 
hard2gain said:
Does anyone know the penalty for manufacturing? In the US I mean.
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Felony manufacturing is a mandatory 1 year but can be up to 10.
Of course there are additional fines and parole.

State laws are different so depending on who pops you, YMMV.

Also, it's worth noting that manufacturing charges rarely come alone.
Usually there's other charges such as intent to distribute, conspiracy, importation of a controlled substance etc. If the guy used a fake name to get stuff through the mail they could press federal mail fraud charges too.

The list of possible charges is substantial.
 
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Lycanjuice, did your friend receive mail from a private carrier like Fedex, UPS, or DHL? Or through the USPS and what type of mail..... Express? Registered? Air mail? US Customs and other Gov agencies can order the local Postmaster take images of ALL your mail and sends it back to the agency that requested the info........also if needed will hold the mail for further inspection or a warrant. Another scary fact is that about 90% of mail is sorted on automated machines that take images of EVERY piece...... and I'm willing to bet money the NSA/FBI has access to this info at their fingertips. :-/
 
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