Cutting soon...great stuff so far, but i have more ?'s.

athiktos

7 wks off (broken elbow!)
OK, i'm 5'9" and about 210-215. I've never really cut, but i know i need to and im going to start in Jan. How long should i cut for or what should i be looking to get at weight wise and how should i change up the supplements if any? (Taking BSN Cell-Mass, dextrose w/ whey & water for PWO, and some ZMA at night) BTW good stuff in the cutting premire Blown_SC!
Thanks,
athiktos
 
the best advice i can give you from my experience is EAT.

seriously. Think about how much food you need to grow. Unless youre eating a lot more than you have to, you dont need THAT much less to lose BF.

Take it slow, dont drop down to 1000 calories a day and think youre going to be burning fat off like its going out of style. Just eat smaller portions of what you eat to gain weight. Maybe lower the carbs, and up the protein a little. But remember, you do still need carbs...mostly for breakfast, pre and post workout, and 1 hour postworkout.

Some people have mixed feelings about it, but i recommend tribulus.

Also 25mg ephedrine and 200mg caffeine 3 times a day, 2 hours apart, starting as soon as you wake up. Dont take it past 3pm....caffeine stays in your system for a while.

Green tea extract should be a part of everyones diet, regardless of whether your losing bf or not, but it is supposed to help with bf.

For cardio, i like walking for 45 minutes 3-4 times a week.

Key thing to remember is...think about how long it took you to gain bf. It didnt happen overnight, and its not going to go away overnight.

All the supps youre taking now are fine. I dont know off the top of my head if CELLmass is creatine monohydrate, or CEE, but monohydrate will make you hold water, making you APPEAR to have more bf, but id keep taking it anyway, because it will help you keep your strength.

And like i said, dont go too drastic with the calorie drop. Drop them slightly, and give it a few weeks. See what happens.

You can still lose bf and progress with weights for a long time. You wont be jumping up as much as when you gain weight, but 5-10 pounds here, a rep or two there. Keep at it. If you stop progressing with weights right away, you probably dropped calories too much. If you dont lose any weight after a week or two, you havent dropped them enough.
 
Good advice bro, yeah good stuff and ive heard a lot of that from others, and you helped reenforce the truth behind it...I know you really shouldnt do HARD cardio because you want to keep on as much muscle as possible, but i heard running like once a week is fine...what have you heard about that?
 
i really cant give you anything other than opinion about cardio, but i mean look at sprinters. Most of them are lean as fuck, and pretty muscular. Yea genetics has a lot to do with it, or else they wouldnt be sprinters in the first place, but long distance runners look completely different.

It really doesnt make a whole lot of difference, it just comes down to calories in vs calories out.
 
25mg ephedrine and 200mg caffeine 3 times a day, 2 hours apart. Is that standard dosage? Seems a little higher, then I thought. I thought it was only twice a day? I could be wrong though.
 
I always do cardio after workout if you cant do it in the morning after your WO is next best thing. Heart rate already elevated.
 
i do carb cutoffs around 6pm, and do cardio on a completely empty stomach (except for EC and water) the next morning.

i do cardio on my off days, but for people that do cardio on their workout days, its best to do cardio as far away from your workout as possible, so like 8 hours apart.

if cardio after a workout works for you, do it.
 
mysvt said:
25mg ephedrine and 200mg caffeine 3 times a day, 2 hours apart. Is that standard dosage? Seems a little higher, then I thought. I thought it was only twice a day? I could be wrong though.
im pretty sure 3 times a day is the standard. could be two though.

i do 3.

for the first week i started EC i felt like i was going to die. Ephedrine hated me. Now it pretty much has no noticeable effect on me...other than helping me lose some fat.
 
Popichulo said:
I always do cardio after workout if you cant do it in the morning after your WO is next best thing. Heart rate already elevated.
This is what I do as well and it works for me. This is from a thread on T-nation that I feel is pretty accurate.


FASTED CARDIO

Are you fucking kidding me? Seriously, are you fucking kidding me? Why are we even talking about this?

Let's take two twins, both 200lbs, both doing the same training program, taking the same supplements, and following the same nutrition plan in the hopes of getting lean.

One difference, though: one of them eats 2 eggs and does 30 minutes of cardio three days per week. The other does 30 minutes of cardio, three days per week and THEN eats 2 eggs.

So what's the magical difference in terms of fat loss after six months? Drum roll please...

I'll tell you — no fucking difference.

However, whenever you bring up this question we get a ton of responses saying, "This is exactly the information I needed!". Oh fuck off. The reason you are still fat is because you couldn't decide to do cardio on an empty stomach or not?

30 minutes of steady state cardio will burn about 300 calories. Three times per week – 900 calories. Add that up for 26 weeks and we get a whopping: 23,400 calories.

Or 6.6 lbs of fat.

In six months.

If doing it fasted, burned 30% more (which it doesn't), you're looking at another 2lbs of fat in that same six month period.

Or an additional 0.07 pounds per week.

And for those of you who say – I do fasted cardio but I have a small scoop of protein first, then you're NOT DOING IT FASTED THEN, ARE YOU?

Fat people finish marathons all the time. Aerobic training doesn't do a hell of a lot for real world fat loss. Even if you're hungry.


http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=4D927DA0C477DFFD4F1CD5D50B3331B5.hydra?id=863599
 
When I do my cardio for fat loss I try to do 2 runs a week that are of higher intensity. I have been running alot of 6-10 mile runs with moderate intensity for a few months for my boxing(aeorobic base building). I generally eat alot of clean carbs sometimes as many as 550g a day on maintenance. When I tried to drop about 6-7 pounds recently I kept eating alot of carbs but just lowered my overall food intake by 500 calories per day. On the same diet as I am on now I ran my distance mileage and lost almost nothing for 2.5 weeks. I then added my 2 HIIT runs in and lost 5 lbs in 2 weeks.
 
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