Cycle advice semi experienced.

[Angularman]

Hello.

I am a 48 year old man. 6'2 215. I have done a few cycles in the past and wanted a general opinion on my cycle, and wondered if you could answer a questions for me.

-Why not use Sustanon and a test base instead of Prop or Cyp. It seems a cheaper option, but I'm sure there is a logical reason against it.

So, I'm considering 16 weeks at the following (attempt to build lean nass with little to no water retention)

175 TEST (not sure prop or dust or what) EOD
125 TREN EOD
100 WINSTROL EOD
25 mg Aromasin (M and F)
50 mg caber (M and F)
500iu HCG EOD

How would something like this look? Side effects with TREN have been a nonissue in the past. Anything I can add to get me bigger but leaner would be great. No waterweight (DECA)!!

Appreciate the pros advice.

AM

 

[Milton]

test sustannon has many esthers short and long, so its hard to monitor during a cycle if your a beginner.
do you know how many esthers prop and test C have?
what is your cycle history? not a good idea to just say youve done a few cycles in the past, we need accurate data to be able to assist you properly bro.
time since last cycle? 2000iu of hcg per week? over 700mg of test per week? why 125mg of tren EOD?

 

[3J]

so you want to run tren and winny for 16 weeks straight?

 

[jp4355]

Honestly, this Cycle is a Complete Mess.

You say that you have some Experience, I'm not seeing it............................ JP
P.S.
Test and Tren is High, and so is the HCG.

Try reading the Stickies, the guys have put lots of time and effort into writing them.
Definitely worth a read.
Then comeback with a REDO.

 

[scorob777]

Some comments below

175 TEST (not sure prop or dust or what) EOD = 612mg/wk test
125 TREN EOD = 437 mg/wk tren
100 WINSTROL EOD - this has a short half life, shouldn't take EOD - injectable??? and for how long???
25 mg Aromasin (M and F) - this has a short half life, not appropriate for 2x per week dosing
50 mg caber (M and F) - this is usually taken like 0.5mg 2x per week, do you have the units messed up?
500iu HCG EOD - this is really a lot, 500 IU 2x per week would be good

That's a pretty stout test dosage and high tren dosage, which according to many is a recipe for bad tren sides. There is a school of thought that says you should take TRT level test dose with high tren to avoid the sides.

Your winstrol looks all messed up, and how long would you run? Tren is hard on the liver and throwing winny on top will not be kind to it.

Aromasin for 612 mg/wk test prop would be somewhere in the 10 to 20 mg/day range, for me based on several blood tests for calibration I'd need 18mg/day for prop (15mg/day for test cyp) - your mileage may vary

Caber as mentioned you seem to have the dosage wonky

HCG as mentioned 500 iu 2x/w is a high dose

And finally 16 weeks on high dosage of tren is probably not going to happen, so be prepared to bail

 

[tbonexl]

Yup ^^^^^

 

[LateStart]

Monster cycle....... unorthodox dosing schedule? Not sure what the previous cycles were. You've done tren before?.....what was the dose. I'm very curious where ya came up with this. Pretty advanced and unless you're 6%bf then you could probably do more with less.
Give some more info and some of these vets will get ya set up. Good luck bro

 

[Angularman]

First-I LOVE the brutal honesty. Here's my history:

Contacted a doctor for TRT:
1) TRT 400mg Test Cyp wk (1-16)
2) TRT 500mg Test Cyp wk (1-16)
3) TRT 500 mg Test Cyp wk (1-16), 20mg Anavar ED wk (12-14), 100 mg/week Deca wk (1-16)

Then I went rogue. LOL

4) 750mg Test Cyp wk (1-16)
5) 125 mg Test Cyp EOD (1-16), 125 Tren EOD (1-16), 50mg Caber M-F (1-16) 20 mg Aromisin M-F (1-16) 500iu HCG EOD (1-16)

I always went three weeks of Clomid and 500iu PCT.

Ok, That's me. Things to know: Cycle 5 was unbelievable. Strength gains, fat loss/muscle hardening, moderate size gain AND Sex drive through the roof. Like I haven't felt in 25 years. Only down side was I got a bit emotional, short and on occasion woukd fly off the handle. Common as to what I've read.

So what's wrong with the above cycle?

What I really want to do is increase size from my last cycle without putting water weight. (Oh, and keep that sex drive flying. My penis was dancing. My one minor dance with deca gave me moon face (and killed my dick).

Tren is INCREDIBILE. How do I get the most out of it?

Thanks,

AM

 

[tbonexl]

First-I LOVE the brutal honesty. Here's my history:

Contacted a doctor for TRT:
1) TRT 400mg Test Cyp wk (1-16)
2) TRT 500mg Test Cyp wk (1-16)
3) TRT 500 mg Test Cyp wk (1-16), 20mg Anavar ED wk (12-14), 100 mg/week Deca wk (1-16)

Then I went rogue. LOL

4) 750mg Test Cyp wk (1-16)
5) 125 mg Test Cyp EOD (1-16), 125 Tren EOD (1-16), 50mg Caber M-F (1-16) 20 mg Aromisin M-F (1-16) 500iu HCG EOD (1-16)

I always went three weeks of Clomid and 500iu PCT.

Ok, That's me. Things to know: Cycle 5 was unbelievable. Strength gains, fat loss/muscle hardening, moderate size gain AND Sex drive through the roof. Like I haven't felt in 25 years. Only down side was I got a bit emotional, short and on occasion woukd fly off the handle. Common as to what I've read.

So what's wrong with the above cycle?

What I really want to do is increase size from my last cycle without putting water weight. (Oh, and keep that sex drive flying. My penis was dancing. My one minor dance with deca gave me moon face (and killed my dick).

Tren is INCREDIBILE. How do I get the most out of it?

Thanks,

AM

This post doesn't make much sense at all. Trt isn't a cycle, it's forever. You're posting cycles and calling it trt.
How old are you??? I know you posted your age but this seems like something a teenager would post.
Care to clean up your confusion here???

 

[Angularman]

This post doesn't make much sense at all. Trt isn't a cycle, it's forever. You're posting cycles and calling it trt.
How old are you??? I know you posted your age but this seems like something a teenager would post.
Care to clean up your confusion here???

***128528; Lol. I am 47. My apologies. Perhaps TRT is the wrong description. I visited a doctor and he put me on the Cyp, 16 weeks at a time with HCG and Clomid in between 'cycles'.

Appreciate the guidance.

Again: blank canvas here. Just trying to give some background to what I have used and results.

My goal is to increase lean size without gaining too much, if any water weight. So given my history and my objectives, I'd love to hear from some of the experienced members that can line me up with a cycle that can efficiently reach my goals.

 

[LateStart]

Those "trt" cycles you listed are more than double a high trt dose. Is this Dr prescribed? How far apart were they and how'd the recovery go in between? Do I read this correctly......you did tren for 16 weeks? How'd that go? Any bad sides?
How'd you like 750mg cyp compared to your other doses?
Sorry for all the questions.......partly because I'm confused on some of your post and partly because I'm honestly curious about your experience.

 

[Angularman]

It was 'Dr' prescribed ).

I took 4 weeks off in between cycles and used HCG, Clomid in between.

The 750 was noticeable. I handled it well gaining some size and much strength.

I handled the Tren and liked the results (although I was under the impression that I'd gain more size). My only side effects were emotional and psychological, a day of depression now and again toward the end. Shortness to anger and on occasional a bit more emotional.

Thanks for the help.

 

[oldmusclemike]

OP, you mentioned you thought your gains would be more and greater..?
Can you expound on that? I would like it if.you might describe beginning stats and time frame. Then your ending stats.

I realize there is more to it all. There are gains to show in the mirror and sometimes not just The weight gain or loss.

Good luck , OMM

 

[Angularman]

OMM-

Started at 6'2, 204. I'm now 6'2, 215.

Harder and leaner though. Unfortunately I do not have BF% #'s.

Thanks!!

 

[Milton]

OMM-

Started at 6'2, 204. I'm now 6'2, 215.

Harder and leaner though. Unfortunately I do not have BF% #'s.

Thanks!!

Dont see training mentioned, have you worked out during any in this?

 

[Angularman]

Hi LS-

I have done Tren before (about 425mg wk for 8 weeks).

I'd love to do MORE with LESS!!!!!

Looking to add lean size without the water weight. Withvtge Trean and Test, I added a little bit of lean size, but shredded fat. I look bigger now.

Thanks,

AM