Cycling Sustanon


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From: John Maynard []


The Proper Way to Cycle SUSTANON (has been floating around for years)

One of the most misunderstood ideals when it comes to Sustanon is how to properly use
it in a cycle. There is no wrong way, but there is a best way to administer proper dosages
so you can fully benifit from the esters in Sustanon.

Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the
mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels
balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not recieve proper doseages at once
or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continually,
which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the
best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle.

All test is the same, but once only the ester is removed. People that say test is test are
wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty
of different results fromt the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have
too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do
not fluctuate.

I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent
testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters:30mg of prop60mg of phenylprop60mg of
isocaproate100mg of deconateCombined to give you 250mg. Now everyone knows for themselves
how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Lets take each
ester and see how long they will stay active in the body. 30mg of prop--Prop needs to be
injected at least every other day to get the full benifits of the test. I think every
third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now lets say
you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that
is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your
time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to
220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week. 60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop
is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester
every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is
shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, getwoods powder). If
injected twice a week, then lets even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one

To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If
you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and
that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now lets look
at the longer acting esters in sus. 60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a
duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still
not getting enough test to make it worth the time. 100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy
of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Decca-Durabolin. The decanoate
ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3.This ester
was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon.

If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per
week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take
out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release
the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless.
Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good,
and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only
relatively high for about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy, but that is not at all what I want in
a cycle. Every test cycle should be started high to hit those receptors hard, and I dont
even taper at the end (but that is a different story).

The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test levels will never
at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say
they have less bloat on sus and less sides. There is so little of the short acting test
in your system at one time that it is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all.
So you ask, well what is the best way to take sus then? First I would answer dont buy it.
If you really want to use a 4 blend test then buy some of the old omna (not the new ones),
they have more shorter acting tests in them and the blood levels will stay more equal.

If you dont believe me, ask anyone that has used the old omna and they will tell you they
got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter acting esters in the omna
build up your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone doesnt
like my first answer, then I will give them a second, "inject the sus everyday or at the
least every other day." I usually get the "wholly shit, thats crazy!!!" answer. I usually
tell them back, no its not crazy, its science. The actual science of sus combined with a
bodybuilders needs equal injecting every day.

People seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of 1750mg each
week and getting every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7 amps
a week for 10 weeks, I am suggesting injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the
esters do thier work after that. When you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you
are really only getting the prop, phenylprop, and a little of the isocaproate. Maybe
about 700-750 mg for the first two weeks, and for weeks after that when all of the
isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay aroung 600-800mg for weeks following the
first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into that, and stable test levels. If
you go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much of a difference.

Start off the cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done with
the sustanon, then immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and decca, or decca
and primo/winny. This is a cycle that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading
with an anabolic taper. I guinea pigged this idea when BIGDAWG and I were discussing it
many months back, and damn it was a really good cycle. Not as good as 1000mg of aratest
a week, but still a pretty good cycle. I have cycled sus/omna both ways, and trained
relatively the same with the same kind of diet. The difference in the two cycles were like
night and day, about a 15-17 pound difference, and two amps of omna a week was my first
cycle too. You know, the one you are supposed to grow the most off of because of the
virgin receptors. So test may be test, but you will not get the same results from every
ester out there if you dont know how to time them. If you are thinking of a sus/omna
cycle, give this a try. I promise you will not be disappointed.
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Your methodology appears viable in theory. I would like to hear some input from some bros after apply it. It sounds awful overload on the surface but it just may work. As I said I would be interested in some input from other bros who try this. Good post tho. Gets the mind working. Thats what it takes to get to the next level.
The whole theory is flawed because they claim that you are "losing" all kinds of test.

That's nonsense. You lose nothing. Its just that the various esters take different times to deestrify into plain test that is usable in the body.

For example, he claims that if you inject two amps of sustanon in week 1 you only get 180 mgs. of test in your body (from the prop and phenlyprop only). He presumes that the 60mg of Isocaproate and the 100mg of Deconate in each amp will not release AT ALL during the first week.

This is simply wrong.

All esters begin to release usuable steroid as soon as they are injected, it is just that the longer esters release more slowly. In fact, every ester's release is the highest soon after the injection and the rate of release from the depot decreases over time as the amount of estrified test decreases. I would refer to Andy13's seminal thread "A comprehensive look at modern AS cycling" in our educational forum.

In my opinion, Sustanon (sust) is very useful in the beginning of a cycle. You get blood levels up pretty quick from the rapid release from the short esters, and you also lay a solid foundation for long release of the long esters. In essence, it is like front loading with a long ester such as ethanate while also getting blood levels up quick with a short ester like prop - except you have it already mixed in one amp.

For example, I might use something like 1.5 grams of omnadren (same as sust) for the first 2 weeks of a cycle, continue with a gram per week for several weeks, switch to ethanate for a few weeks, then finish with prop only for the last 2 weeks.
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Im more inclined to believe Trevdog on this one. An interesting perspective, but injecting sus eod would SUCK! Prop pains would drive me nuts!